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Dynafit tourlite or tristep

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Has anyone used these bindings? Any comments on the good the bad and the ugly would be appreciated.

post #2 of 19
The Dynafit system is a very light, and extremely reliable system. The binding is by far the lightest out there, and the most durable. It's shortcoming is in convenience. You have to exit the binding to switch from walk to ski, and you have a limited selection of boots that are compatable. The Dynafits can be set to not release at the toe. This can be useful in places where dropping a shoe is not an option. If you want light, don't mind clicking out to change modes, and find a boot that fits (Dynafit, Scarpa Laser a few others, go for it. It is a great setup. If you want step in convenience, don't care about 2 or 3 extra lbs, or want to ski in a Lowa Struktura, Garmont GSM, Scarpa Denali, Raichle Concordia, Etc.. check out the Diamir, or a Silveretta Eazy Go, or 555. If you want to use a mountaineering boot try the Silveretta 404, or 500. I have not used the '02 version Dynafit, but it supposed to be a little easier.
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
I have already decided on the lazers and was planning on the fritchis for no real reason except that I used them once. Now that I'm in buying mode I'm rethinking the bindings. If the dynafit is lighter and more durable why not use it?

As far as taking the skis off to switch from walk to ski, I'll do that anyway.

Any other opinions out there?
post #4 of 19
“If the dynafit is lighter and more durable why not use it?”

1. Durability issues with Diamir II are rather trivial.
2. Diamir II has built-in lift; unclear how to add lift to Dynafit.
3. Diamir II step-in entry is more easy . . . although new Dynafit version is supposed to make lining up the pins easier.
4. Diamir II mode switch is more convenient if you will ever encounter rolling terrain . . . but new Dynafit version is supposed to address that.
5. BD has dropped the Diamir II price by over $100 (to $229) . . . but if you buy it via French mail order then the prices are fairly similar.
6. Diamir now has a “Freeride” version with 12 DIN, stronger toe & heel pieces, and only slightly higher weight . . . but it’s not available in the U.S. this year.

But as you can see, although I did manage to come up with some reasons “why not” you’ll be a happy camper either way!
post #5 of 19
Will be interested where you come out on this one, harpo. I am also presently trying to decide between the Dynafit the F II and the F Freeride. Am presently leaning to the FII because there is a lot of experience with it and because of the built in lift mentioned by Jonathan (I am a little concerned about whether I will be constantly in the back seat on the Dynafits, without the lift and forward lean to which I am accustomed after 40 years on alpine equipment). The weight savings of the Dynafit is attractive, but there doesn't seem to be nearly so much experience with that binding in this country. There is plenty of word of mouth about the FII's, almost all of it positive.
post #6 of 19
JW, I wouldn't worry about the lack of experience w/ Dynafit in this country, assuming, that is, that you can find someone competent to mount it. Personally, I'm a big Diamir fan, and the Diamir was by far the most popular binding at the hut (Refuge d'Argentierre) we stayed at overnight on the first leg of the Haute Route. But both our guides preferred Dynafit (one used the Diamir though in case he ever had to lend a ski to a client). If you can put up with the more difficult entry, and the other inconveniences, plus the lack of any lift off the ski, then the weight savings are certainly tempting.
post #7 of 19
Jonathan, I gather the new tristep is supposed to ease the entry problems and add a little lift to the Dynafit. Am looking forward to seeing a review of it, here or in Couloir.
On the Diamir, I understand that the upper end of the DIN setting is a 10. I usually set at 8 and could afford to go higher (am 6'2', 190). Do you think the D.II is gonna be hefty enough? Would have to take on an additional 600g to get the extra DIN of the Freeride.
post #8 of 19
Correct on the Tristep. Sounds like Dynafit is definitely doing some good innovating here.
As is Fritschi - Diamir Freeride goes up to 12, so that would be a plus if you want the extra DIN.
But the D II does go to 11 if you keep turning the screw (sounds like Spinaltap, but I got that from Scot Schmidt when he was at a Boston ski show)
Note that the weight comparisons are a little skewed though, b/c the Fritschi website compares the D II w/o brake to D F w/ brake, so assuming you're going to ski the D II w/ brake, the D F really doesn't add that much weight.
Overall, hard to go wrong these days w/ so many great AT products!
post #9 of 19
I'll second the durability of the Diamir.

Noticing that Coombs used only the fritschis for all downhill skiing, I plopped a pair on my fats and was completely impressed with their durability even in bumps and airs with hard compressive landings (my aching back!). I'm 5-10 and 155#s so leave them on 9 and have only have one release (which was a good thing) so far.

I'm confused about Spinhelis post tho - I thought the Dynafit system, tho lighter, was less durable and didn't allow for heal release??
post #10 of 19
Re Dynafit, I have never heard of any durability problems, and both of our Chamonix guides spoke highly of its durability.

But of course, trying to get in the thing would be difficult if the contact areas on your boot were all iced up. And then there was my friend who has having trouble getting into his Dynafits when the ski ran away from him, fell off some huge drop-off near Monta Rosa (sp?), and broke in two. Limping back to the hut, his guide used a two-by-four to splint it, which was surprisingly servicable.

As for release, supposedly lateral at the toe and vertical at the heel, but this is somewhat of a mystery to me as to exactly how it works. I saw a post once by someone who claimed that it passed a standard shop release check.
post #11 of 19
The Dynafit is definately the most durable AT system out there. The old Silveretta 404 is probably a heavy second. I would say the Diamirs are good for maybe 100 days, less if you ski them at a resort everyday. Thier alpine binding; the Rave is a total piece of crap. I know a girl who broke about 6 pairs in a year. At our shop, we are constantly seeing broken Diamirs, and some Easy Go's. The Diamir is probably more durable, but the user goes bigger. Me, I still use my old 404's but will probably get Diamirs or 555s this spring. I don't really understand the Dynafit release either, and our shop does not carry it any more. We actually sell all AT bindings as non releasable, and the buyer signs a form. Like Jonathan said, it is hard to go wrong these days, but step-ins would be nice in steep scary places, and I always use leashes.
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info.

I'm going to have to get a firsthand look at the tourlite before I decide.

Step in is nice - on some of our hikes I have just kicked a little shelf set my ski down and stepped in, while ny friend with tele gear made a big shelf and was very carefull setting the ski down and getting it on.

Anyway - any other comments?
post #13 of 19

Instead of 'the shelf', have ya ever tried shoving the tail of one ski into the snow ('bout 20-30 degrees from horizontal - depending on snow softness) all the way till the rear binding compacts into the surface snow then put yur uphill boot in first? Then the same with t'other?
post #14 of 19
I have used the tourtech bindings for one season. The bindings do have a few quirks. Getting into them require some patients. I found lining up the heel first then the toe works 90% of the time. Snow sometimes gets under the toe making entry into the binding difficult. The safety strap has a nice plastic piece that you can use to clear this area out.
I have not had any problems at all with the binding. I would highly recomend them to anyone. I talked to the techs and sales people at MEC(a large outdoor store in canada) and everyone raved about the bindings. I am rather picky about gear. The bindings turned out to be better then I had hoped. The lighteness underfoot should not be understated. You feel like there is nothing there. Frictchi users clang and bang away. While my tourtechs are quite compared to there bindings.
So buy the tourtechs if the boots foot. Otherwise the Fritchis.
post #15 of 19
I have a pair of dynafit tourtech lite bindings. They are nice and light and have never fallen off while skiing. however, when climbing they sometimes fall off during complex manouvers such as kick turns or other times when the pivot is put under any torque. : spinheli posted that it is possible to lock the toe so it wont release. anyons know how to do it? For all those wondering about the heel lift the heel peice rotates giving you the option of no lift, 1.5" lift and 3" lift.
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
The lever that you push down to release the toes also pulls up to lock the toes.

Problems have been reported with the tristeps - you couldn't pull the lever up to lock out the toe. I had that problem with mine initially but they seem to be working ok now (with significant tinkering on my part) but I'm still waiting for some info from Dynafit.
post #17 of 19
have finally acquired and tried out a dynafit system... original tourlite techs with Trab Sintesi in 175cm... good to ski, albeit mainly on groomed pistes at the moment.

Interestingly, most retailers around here (Grenoble, France) recommend the proven systems, not the new Tristep or Fritschi Freeride (the Tristep is exactly the same as the TLT but with step-in guides at the front, and ability to change climbing-step height with a ski pole - the mechanics have not changed).

Choosing between the two main systems, around here the attraction of the Diamir 2 is ease of use, and safer release - thus preferred if you spend much time on piste. The TLT is light (an attribute valued here). Both are considered durable.

More reports as snow arrives...
post #18 of 19
Perhaps this thread will be useful for some of you.
post #19 of 19
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>2. Diamir II has built-in lift; unclear how to add lift to Dynafit.
6. Diamir now has a “Freeride” version with 12 DIN, stronger toe & heel pieces, and only slightly higher weight . . . but it’s not available in the U.S. this year.

The Dynafit had a two level built-in lift also (you twist the heel piece to different settings, this can be done with your pole). Also, Diamir's new "Freeride" version is available in the US, I saw one in a shop yesterday.

Both are pretty durable, though both are capable of breaking.

It is a weight versus convenience trade off.
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