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post #31 of 56

GREAT "rest of story" Tog.  I've been yelling the result from the computer to my wife every time Mikaela finishes another race.  It's just unbelievable how well that girl is skiing.

 

For any of you who get the Wall Street Journal, there is an excellent lead article in the Sports section of today's paper.  I'm not sure if the link will work, but here goes:

 

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303332904579224151830148382

 

My excitement for Mikaela is somewhat tempered by the fact that our hometown favorite Resi Stiegler didn't make the A team this year and it's looking less likely that she'll get to go to Sochi.  Bummer.

 

But that doesn't change the fact that Mikaela is just killing it.  So much fun to see her doing well.  

 

I can't remember who I was on the chair with that day at A-Basin (possibly cgeib?) when we passed over this girl making turns and I said something along the lines of "HOLY SH*T - who is THAT?".  And my chair-mate said "That's Mikaela".  It's fascinating how a truly great skier like that looks just completely different when compared to all the good skiers in the world.

 

Here's hoping she keeps improving. Thumbs Up 

post #32 of 56
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Great story SkiRacer!

Did she go to Green Mt. also or did you mean Burke?

 

    See below post from @Bob Peters for the context for the following.

 

Well, here's "The Rest of the Story.."

(voice of Paul Harvey)

 

 May of 2012. High in the mountains of Colorado, there is still snow. A ski area, a place called... Arapahoe Basin. A young ski racer and her mom. The racer training late in the season, following the snow. During a break from that training, the girl and her mom stop to take photos with a Mrs Bob Peters. Now Mrs. Peters, unknown to the racer and her mom, is famous for having her picture taken with the truly great racers. Olympic champions, World cup Winners, World Cup Champions. All the best, through the years. Many a photo. Many a champion.

 

Fast forward. Next race season. The young racer wins a slalom race on the World Cup. Quite a feat for someone still in high school, even more so for an American. Then she wins another, and another. When she's not winning, she's placing close to the top. She's now a huge sensation. Known all over Europe.

 

Now, at the World Championships, a place called Schladming in Austria. It is after her first run in the slalom. She is way behind. Nearly two seconds. Two seconds in a race often decided by mere hundreths of a second is... a nearly impossible task. The young racer is demoralized.  But it has been done. The great Italian champion Alberto Tomba famous for coming back from such deficits.

It begins to dawn on the racer it is possible. With the support of her mom, her team mates, coaches. All the years of training and focus come into play. Plus... there is that photo with Mrs. Peters. Taken seemingly now, long ago.

 

So she gets into the start determined. Pushes off. Soon it is apparent she is skiing extremely well. Fast, smooth. Yet there's still the two seconds to overcome. Halfway down it's apparent it may be possible to the crowd. They start to get loud as such a feat would be truly special. Nearing the bottom the racer is still gaining. The crowd senses the young American is about to pull off the near impossible and starts going crazy when in fact she wins.

 

The young American goes on to win other races. By the end of the season she has won the overall World Cup for Women in Slalom. All before graduating high school.

And all made possible by... that day in May. May 2012 in the mountains of Colorado. A place called Arapahoe Basin. A young racer named Mikaela Shiffrin had her picture taken with a Mrs. Bob Peters. And now we look at it and what is it?  It is a now a photo of World Champion Mikaela Shiffrin and Mrs.Peters.

 

And that my friends is the rest of the story.

 

 

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I could be wrong, it might have been Burke...I think her coach was Kirk Dwyer, so wherever he was at the time...

post #33 of 56
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I could be wrong, it might have been Burke...I think her coach was Kirk Dwyer, so wherever he was at the time...
Yes, Kirk was/ is at Burke Mt Academy. Check out the article above posted by Bob. Really good. As someone who raced and talked with her mom you had a part in the whole thing SkiRacer55! Pretty cool.
post #34 of 56
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The problem is that the Italian team is not consistent, the talent is there but there is no flare to it, and no continuity. 
Tomba was on the front page because he won, but he was also always making some sort of stupid thing, some trouble here and there, he was news worthy.
Today most of the men's team barely speaks italian, the women are very inconsistent so it's easy to lose interest.

I bet you if Italy had a Shiffrin, a Hirscher, or a Ligety you'd be much more excited about WC  skiing :D

 

Yeh, and to think that Lara "nearly" switched (in 2010, only rumors but...it was reported that she was skiing with the italian national flag painted on her boots...see here http://www.ticinolibero.ch/?p=52645) over from the Swiss team to the Italian one...(btw she has double citizenship...Swiss and Italian)

 

 But I'd be more than happy to have "back" Ghedo, Runghi, the girls of "old"...

 

And I'm more than happy to see a "Yank" girl on top of the world. Likewise I'm happy to see Ted there as well!!! BTW neither Shiffrin, Hirscher and Ligety speak italian, so they could join our team in any case ...teee heee

The question of the language..it's a semi-serious one.Sometimes it nags at me, sometimes not. Even Thoeni was barely speaking italian at the beginning of his carreeer (despite having an italian passport, like most Southern Tyroleans, he's of...german/austrian ethnicity...) As long as those guys/girls wear the Tricolore (and the sky blue coloured dress) with pride, it doesn't bother me if they can't speak Italian very well or at all.

 

 

It's just..that, ski racing, like F1 racing, seen on television, doesn't attracts me like it was some years ago...

More to do with the inconsistency...theres' so much hope and expectation every time one of them makes to the podium, that if the next time he/she is not there..it's a drama, newspapers first talk about the "Next Tomba" or "Next Compagnoni" then of disillusion...Thats' what I think, we (italians) spend the time looking for the next big champion instead of programming and building one. Champions aren't found by chance, are built through a combination of grooming (talent scouting), hard work, sound programming (and investments)... 

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Are you recognizing improvements in your own skiing that have become more interesting than watching others ski?

Mmmh, this is worth of its own thread, otherwise we would be stealing from the OP and straying off topic....I'll think it over and maybe open a thread in..which section? 

post #35 of 56
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Yeh, and to think that Lara "nearly" switched (in 2010, only rumors but...it was reported that she was skiing with the italian national flag painted on her boots...see here http://www.ticinolibero.ch/?p=52645) over from the Swiss team to the Italian one...(btw she has double citizenship...Swiss and Italian) Didn't know that! Probably better for her that she didn't! LOL

 

 But I'd be more than happy to have "back" Ghedo, Runghi, the girls of "old"...

 

And I'm more than happy to see a "Yank" girl on top of the world. Likewise I'm happy to see Ted there as well!!! BTW neither Shiffrin, Hirscher and Ligety speak italian, so they could join our team in any case ...teee heee AHAHAH that's a good one!

The question of the language..it's a semi-serious one.Sometimes it nags at me, sometimes not. Even Thoeni was barely speaking italian at the beginning of his carreeer (despite having an italian passport, like most Southern Tyroleans, he's of...german/austrian ethnicity...) As long as those guys/girls wear the Tricolore (and the sky blue coloured dress) with pride, it doesn't bother me if they can't speak Italian very well or at all.

I agree, but it's hard to generate interest in the media if your interviews are not in your native language... 

 

It's just..that, ski racing, like F1 racing, seen on television, doesn't attracts me like it was some years ago...

More to do with the inconsistency...theres' so much hope and expectation every time one of them makes to the podium, that if the next time he/she is not there..it's a drama, newspapers first talk about the "Next Tomba" or "Next Compagnoni" then of disillusion...Thats' what I think, we (italians) spend the time looking for the next big champion instead of programming and building one. Champions aren't found by chance, are built through a combination of grooming (talent scouting), hard work, sound programming (and investments)... 
Yes, also very true. Unfortunately... 

 
post #36 of 56

Probably instruction thread Nobody.

Did you read this article?

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303332904579224151830148382

 

It's a good one. Shiffrin's parents pretty much went the way of Mr. Williams with his tennis daughters.

She didn't do a whole lot of comps like everyone else.

 

@Bob Peters , you and your wife should be flown to Sochi for photos with the US ski team!

Geez, it wasn't even a year after the photo with Mikeala that she went from zero wins to overall WCup winner in slalom!

First stop though, a photo of your wife with Lindsey Vonn!

 

Have all her photos with the athletes been on snow or in ski boots?

post #37 of 56
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To me, Tina's the only big name that's had surprisingly dismal results. Not even Top 10s.

Julia....it's not uncommon to see her struggle (in the regular season anyway). She's gone years without a win. Maybe that's worse than usual but it's the beginning of the season, too early to judge. I don't think 4 top 10s and a podium for Maria are "sucking" either.

 

Agree about Julia, shes a big competition type person, im sure her form will pick up once the olympics start.

 

About Tina she always did have a slow start to the season (apart from last season), and never did good on american snow, lets wait for a few european races to see where she's at.

post #38 of 56
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Probably instruction thread Nobody.
Did you read this article?
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303332904579224151830148382

It's a good one. Shiffrin's parents pretty much went the way of Mr. Williams with his tennis daughters.
She didn't do a whole lot of comps like everyone else.

@Bob Peters
, you and your wife should be flown to Sochi for photos with the US ski team!
Geez, it wasn't even a year after the photo with Mikeala that she went from zero wins to overall WCup winner in slalom!
First stop though, a photo of your wife with Lindsey Vonn!

Have all her photos with the athletes been on snow or in ski boots?

Very interesting article! So many young talents do drop off high level competitions at an early stage because are already worn out by the excessive/obsessive early push into it. Valid, as written there, for all sports...
post #39 of 56

SHHHHHHHHHHHH, keep her under the radar for as long as possible so she doesn't have the media circus interfering with her Olympic game.

 

Let the hype be reserved for LV.

post #40 of 56

Two more podiums...

post #41 of 56

Yeah, but this time it's "Two Races, two podiums, and a comment".

Lienz, Austria site of her first win 2 years ago at 16yrs old.

Video of slalom both runs with 2nd place finish:

 

http://youtu.be/ngWM3667gsU

 

Video of GS, mostly 2nd run, third place finish:

 

http://youtu.be/qmLVGF1KGhk

post #42 of 56
Thread Starter 
So is something on with her right booters in SL? Don't get me wrong though, great skiing! 18 yrs old... Just cool. smile.gif
post #43 of 56

bumpity bump

post #44 of 56

I noticed she wears a helmet.

post #45 of 56

Anyone see the results from Bormio today?  I figured out how to use the spoiler so 4ster isn't too pissed off.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Results

Rank
Bib
Name
Run 1
Run 2
Tot. Time
1 3
USA
SHIFFRIN Mikaela
57.72 1:02.69 2:00.41
2 13
SWE
PIETILAE-HOLMNER Maria
57.75 1:02.79 2:00.54
3 28
FRA
NOENS Nastasia
58.85 1:02.18 2:01.03
4 8
AUT
SCHILD Bernadette
58.52 1:02.63 2:01.15
5 11
CAN
GAGNON Marie-Michele
59.00 1:02.52 2:01.52
6 7
AUT
SCHILD Marlies
58.90 1:02.65 2:01.55
7 14
AUT
KIRCHGASSER Michaela
59.53 1:02.19 2:01.72
8 18
SWE
SWENN-LARSSON Anna
59.03 1:02.72 2:01.75
9 30
GER
WIRTH Barbara
59.41 1:02.35 2:01.76
10 4
SWE
HANSDOTTER Frida
58.45 1:03.40 2:01.85
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post #47 of 56
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

http://olympictalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/14/mikaela-shiffrin-wins-world-cup-slalom-flachau-alpine-skiing/related/   

 

Flachau Slalom
1. Mikaela Shiffrin (USA) 1:45.83
2. Frida Hansdotter (SWE) 1:46.66
3. Maria Pietilae-Holmner (SWE) 1:46.97
4. Maria Hoefl-Riesch (GER) 1:47.23
5. Michaela Kirchgasser (AUT) 1:47.38
6. Nicole Hosp (AUT) 1:47.82
7. Nina Loeseth (NOR) 1:47.98
8. Kathrin Zettel (AUT) 1:47.99
8. Wendy Holdener (AUT) 1:47.99
10. Marie-Michele Gagnon (CAN) 1:48.01

 

Flachau slalom results.

post #48 of 56

Here are some interesting numbers (hopefully I interpreted the numbers on the FIS site correctly):

Out of 46 career WC starts she has won 7 (15% of starts) and podiumed in 14 (30% of starts).
 

Take away her "rookie" year(s) when she was only 16yo and still in high school to leave only results from last year (technically she was still in H.S. last year but was racing the WC slalom circuit full time) and this year and it looks like this...


30 starts (this year and last year), 7 wins (23%), 13 podiums (43%!)


Lindsey Vonn's career line is very impressive as well:
325 starts, 59 wins (18%), 103 podiums (32%)

post #49 of 56
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Originally Posted by Fromthenek View Post

Here are some interesting numbers (hopefully I interpreted the numbers on the FIS site correctly):


Out of 46 career WC starts she has won 7 (15% of starts) and podiumed in 14 (30% of starts).

 
Take away her "rookie" year(s) when she was only 16yo and still in high school to leave only results from last year (technically she was still in H.S. last year but was racing the WC slalom circuit full time) and this year and it looks like this...


30 starts (this year and last year), 7 wins (23%), 13 podiums (43%!)



Lindsey Vonn's career line is very impressive as well:

325 starts, 59 wins (18%), 103 podiums (32%)

Great post, Fromthenek.

I wish we could generate a little more buzz for this girl. What she is doing is truly prodigal.

She is, to borrow a phrase from another sport, dead solid perfect on skis. She's beating the best women in the world by crazy margins and doing it with humility and grace. The NBC hype machine is about to whir into overdrive on her prospects at Sochi. The pressure being heaped on her as a Great American Hope is about to be monumental.

So far, it looks like she can handle it. I can't wait to see how she does.

Those of you who are never-ever or intermittent fans of ski racing should really pay attention to what she's doing. This stuff doesn't come along very often. Here's hoping she stays healthy.
post #50 of 56
Thread Starter 
No doubt, Bob. With respect to everyone here on the site, what's curious is the relative lack of interest in a forum more or less obsessed with technical skiing minutia. We foam over the Korean demo team short turns, etc.... when there's really much more to learn from watching Mikaela ski. Whether in gates, or in the USSA skills quest drill videos, there are few if any examples of finer technical skiing ability anywhere. It'd be interesting to be able to CG edit out the gates and see if more might pay attention. IMHO, most people shy away from gates and/or watching racing at all because they tell us some undeniable truths about our own efforts to improve.... the clock doesn't lie. smile.gif It's easier to for us to say that WC racing bears little resemblance to our daily skiing than to admit we don't have anywhere near the skill set of an 18 year old young woman. I don't watch her 'racing' per se as much as I'm watching what her skis do on snow and how her mind blowing mechanics are getting her there. Those Koreans? I have no doubt they're watching her carefully as well.
post #51 of 56

I hear what your saying Bob, but I hope that we don't generate too much buzz for Mikaela.  I hate how the Olympics try to create some human interest story about an athlete that overshadows what they really do.  I'd like to see Mikaela quietly keep kicking ass for a while before becoming the next Lindsey or Bode.

post #52 of 56
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I hear what your saying Bob, but I hope that we don't generate too much buzz for Mikaela.  I hate how the Olympics try to create some human interest story about an athlete that overshadows what they really do.  I'd like to see Mikaela quietly keep kicking ass for a while before becoming the next Lindsey or Bode.

 

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No doubt, Bob. With respect to everyone here on the site, what's curious is the relative lack of interest in a forum more or less obsessed with technical skiing minutia. We foam over the Korean demo team short turns, etc.... when there's really much more to learn from watching Mikaela ski. Whether in gates, or in the USSA skills quest drill videos, there are few if any examples of finer technical skiing ability anywhere. It'd be interesting to be able to CG edit out the gates and see if more might pay attention. IMHO, most people shy away from gates and/or watching racing at all because they tell us some undeniable truths about our own efforts to improve.... the clock doesn't lie. smile.gif It's easier to for us to say that WC racing bears little resemblance to our daily skiing than to admit we don't have anywhere near the skill set of an 18 year old young woman. I don't watch her 'racing' per se as much as I'm watching what her skis do on snow and how her mind blowing mechanics are getting her there. Those Koreans? I have no doubt they're watching her carefully as well.

What she really does is ski well with amazing balance.  Those skills quest videos are brilliant, like this one:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yVn655Hk6q8

 

She got better by doing drills, yet many skiers simply hope to get better magically through a single lesson.  The Skill Quest program  markojp mentions is great because it lays out the drills necessary for kids to ski well, at least on the hard snow.  It is much easier to use than the  Alpine Ski Fundamentals.    If someone can do the drills, they have a chance of racing well.  If something isn't going well, the kids can go back to the drills and work it out.  So instead of just running gates the kids can concentrate on skiing better when they are by themselves and not with a coach.  Now, if only I could  do the carving the uphill ski on one foot drill like she does...

post #53 of 56
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

No doubt, Bob. With respect to everyone here on the site, what's curious is the relative lack of interest in a forum more or less obsessed with technical skiing minutia. We foam over the Korean demo team short turns, etc.... when there's really much more to learn from watching Mikaela ski. Whether in gates, or in the USSA skills quest drill videos, there are few if any examples of finer technical skiing ability anywhere. It'd be interesting to be able to CG edit out the gates and see if more might pay attention. IMHO, most people shy away from gates and/or watching racing at all because they tell us some undeniable truths about our own efforts to improve.... the clock doesn't lie. smile.gif It's easier to for us to say that WC racing bears little resemblance to our daily skiing than to admit we don't have anywhere near the skill set of an 18 year old young woman. I don't watch her 'racing' per se as much as I'm watching what her skis do on snow and how her mind blowing mechanics are getting her there. Those Koreans? I have no doubt they're watching her carefully as well.

While it is curious, the racing interested people seem to have taken a hiatus.

It hasn't been huge in a while, or ever really.

Foaming over Korean turns? That's a certain group.

Would it surprise you that the "foamers" have some problems with Mikaela? Namely too wide a stance. Schild and Hirscher are the poster children for skiing, Ligety getting ragged in gs and a mess in slalom.

 

There may be other reasons such as those who do care tired of debating. Doesn't seem to stop it in football, baseball, hockey, basketball though.

Who knows, but the thread title is negative from the start. Kind of like "Does anyone care about Sochi?" - not a shock when that turns totally negative. Also doesn't mention her name.

 

Here's the Skills Quest Video referred to above:

 

http://youtu.be/yVn655Hk6q8

post #54 of 56

This time good news on the men's side.  Ted didn't DNF the super combined and Jarad Goldberg of UT put in a solid showing:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Results

1 1
USA
LIGETY Ted
51.16 1:53.58 2:44.74
2 4
FRA
PINTURAULT Alexis
49.94 1:55.02 2:44.96
3 13
CRO
ZRNCIC-DIM Natko
51.44 1:54.38 2:45.82
4 8
SUI
VILETTA Sandro
52.84 1:53.28 2:46.12
5 15
NOR
SVINDAL Aksel Lund
54.26 1:51.96 2:46.22
6 6
FRA
MERMILLOD BLONDIN Thomas
51.64 1:54.66 2:46.30
7 12
ITA
INNERHOFER Christof
53.81 1:52.83 2:46.64
8 9
AUT
MAYER Matthias
54.20 1:52.60 2:46.80
9 25
USA
MILLER Bode
53.37 1:53.52 2:46.89
10 27
ITA
FILL Peter
53.75 1:53.29 2:47.04
post #55 of 56
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

While it is curious, the racing interested people seem to have taken a hiatus.
It hasn't been huge in a while, or ever really.
Foaming over Korean turns? That's a certain group.
Would it surprise you that the "foamers" have some problems with Mikaela? Namely too wide a stance. Schild and Hirscher are the poster children for skiing, Ligety getting ragged in gs and a mess in slalom.

There may be other reasons such as those who do care tired of debating. Doesn't seem to stop it in football, baseball, hockey, basketball though.
Who knows, but the thread title is negative from the start. Kind of like "Does anyone care about Sochi?" - not a shock when that turns totally negative. Also doesn't mention her name.

Here's the Skills Quest Video referred to above:



http://youtu.be/yVn655Hk6q8

That's one of a handful... The one ski skiing and a short vid telling kids the role drills play in keeping her focused are the ones I dig.
post #56 of 56
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Do you think she'll pass her L3? 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV511WCTToE

 

 

Now thats really funny - couldn't have put it better myself.   Follow racing a lot and it is remarkable what she has done last year and especially this year.  Well I did pretty good in slalom last year so why not try a little GS.  And what do we have a really great slalom racer and podiums in GS and really starting to worry some European GS racers.  Great job for a yound 19 yr old.

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