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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hi Folks,

I currently use Dynafit Zzeus, but wanted a stiffer bc boot.  I keep reading great reviews on the Scarpa Freedom SL.

 

Any feedback or experience on the Freedoms.

 

thanks,

Alex

post #2 of 13

Hi Alex,

 

Check out Dostie's review: http://www.earnyourturns.com/16120/review-scarpa-freedom-sl/

 

And the America's Best Bootfitter's review: http://www.bootfitters.com/reviews/2013-14/scarpa-freedom-sl

 

And our Bootfitter's Notes: http://starthaus.com/wordpress/2013/10/22/scarpa-freedom-sl-backcountry-ski-boot-review/

 

People seem to be calling the Scarpa Freedom SL a 115-120 flex, very stiff laterally, with a more smooth, progressive flex than most backcountry boots. Medium-low volume fit, great Intuition liners, great range of motion in walk mode.

post #3 of 13

I have read quite a bit about them and have a pair coming. We will see.

post #4 of 13

If you are a fan of going through more steps for a more customized process consider doing the following:

 

Order the regular Freedom boot, not the Freedom SL.  The only difference is the shell plastic (PU for Freedom, Pebax for SL), the sole blocks that come stock (alpine DIN for Freedom, rockered tech for SL), and the liners (non thermofit for Freedom, Intuition for SL).

 

 

Once you have your Freedoms pick out any Intution liner you want.  Touring a lot more; get the Pro Tour liner (believe it or not, with the Tour liner the PU Freedom ends up weighing LESS than the SL).  Want more alpine performance? Get a Powerwrap.  Something in the middle? Luxury or Dreamliner. Pick your volume, etc.

 

I personally find the PU material to ski better with a more alpine like flex.  Plus it is easier to work on the shell if mods are necessary.  After it's all said and done the price ends up being more or less the same between the two boots.  Plus you end up with a crappy stock liner to use as a backup.

 

That's my take.  But really the Freedom/SL are great fitting, great skiing, and good touring boots.  Some of the best "one boot quiver" boots made of all time.

 

-jake 

post #5 of 13

I tried the Freedom (PU) last season.

You should know Scrapa breaks on the whole size (or is that the half, idk i'm dyslexic), so in my size a 25.5, the shell is that of a 26. In most other boot brands a 25.5 shell is the same as a 25. I would have liked to try it in a 25 but had a hard enough time finding a 25.5 so didn't bother. Plus based on the 25.5 fit i knew the smaller shell would require the very front of the boot's cone'ish shape to be punched for my little toe and probably my big toe too. Seems boot manufactures larger last (forefoot width), are cut for people with bunions and or fat feet. I found the ankle area much to roomy, something others commented on as well. For me the low volume instep was good even with my high arches.

Also the cuff is of the same mold used three shell sizes up (the sizes are inconspicuously molded in the inside), resulting in a stupid crazy amount of overlap! I wouldn't say i have chicken legs yet i had to move the ladders to the outer most medial position of the three position options. I did like the hike/ski lock mechanism, pretty solid coupling.

Again i don't know how much different going down a shell size would've made, as it was i returned them and stayed with a Salomon X-max 25.5 Alpine boot. 

post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by neonorchid View Post
 

I tried the Freedom (PU) last season.

You should know Scrapa breaks on the whole size (or is that the half, idk i'm dyslexic), so in my size a 25.5, the shell is that of a 26. In most other boot brands a 25.5 shell is the same as a 25. I would have liked to try it in a 25 but had a hard enough time finding a 25.5 so didn't bother. Plus based on the 25.5 fit i knew the smaller shell would require the very front of the boot's cone'ish shape to be punched for my little toe and probably my big toe too. Seems boot manufactures larger last (forefoot width), are cut for people with bunions and or fat feet. I found the ankle area much to roomy, something others commented on as well. For me the low volume instep was good even with my high arches.

Also the cuff is of the same mold used three shell sizes up (the sizes are inconspicuously molded in the inside), resulting in a stupid crazy amount of overlap! I wouldn't say i have chicken legs yet i had to move the ladders to the outer most medial position of the three position options. I did like the hike/ski lock mechanism, pretty solid coupling.

Again i don't know how much different going down a shell size would've made, as it was i returned them and stayed with a Salomon X-max 25.5 Alpine boot. 


A lot of what you say is true.  Half size shell break.  25.5-26 are same shell.  Cuff overlap is huge on that boot, no doubt about that.  But it is a tough comparison with an Xmax for fit and feel as there is no doubt about what boot tours better :)

post #7 of 13

Well I got a pair of 2014-15 Freedom SLs (no stocking dealers in 200 miles of me)

Not for me I have extra large calfs. Too bad.  Nice well thought out design and materials. Walk function was very positive in it's lock up. The boot's lower sizing seems to be just what I was looking for also. Wide and slightly longer for more toe box room.

I might look at this model again next year when the prices fall and I can justify modifying them to fit me better. That is if I can find them then.

 

If this is just a preview as to what is ahead of the ski boot market. I'm really looking forward to it.


Edited by skimalibu - 12/24/14 at 10:37pm
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by skimalibu View Post
 

Well I got a pair of 2014-15 Freedom SLs (no stocking dealers in 200 miles of me)

Not for me I have a extra large calfs. Too bad.

 

- I might look at this model again next year when the prices fall and I can justify modifying them to fit me better. That is if I can find them then.

 

Should come down, Scarpa has a new Freedom "RS" due out that's gonna be the schizz - 

post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by neonorchid View Post
 

Should come down, Scarpa has a new Freedom "RS" due out that's gonna be the schizz - 

Thanks, I'll check them out

 

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SCARPA® present the new Freedom RS 2015-16.

For the first time in Scarpa®'s History, two months before the seasonal fairs, we will show to you all a new "secret weapon" in the plastic collection:

that's the new Freedom RS, the freedom boot for powder and big mountains lovers.

Tested, proved and developed with Chris Davenport

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Monkey now on back and biting.....


Edited by skimalibu - 12/26/14 at 2:07pm
post #10 of 13
Some information, thoughts and observations from the tech section of another forum:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/260115-Scarpa-freedom
post #11 of 13

I have transitioned from the Zzeus to the Freedom (non-SL) this year and am happy I did.  Much better heel pocket, much stiffer and they walk uphill almost as great...almost.  There's no doubt the Freedoms are heavier but the Zzeus just fold up when pushed hard.  The Freedoms ski much more like an alpine boot.  For my feet and style they just work better.  I did not find the ankle area too roomy...in fact, I found it to be similar to my Tecnica plugs; when compared to the Zzeus, they are far better in the heel/ankle area for hold down.

 

Pros:

The strap on the Scarpas is well-designed and burly.  A nice little thing that shows the attention to detail in these boots.

Rubber gasket on the lower overlap...another little thing that works well

Lateral stiffness...I have no trouble carving hardpack with these. I drive the tips (old school) and these things have a great progressive flex...far better than the Zzeus.

Liner is incredible.  I have a spare set of Intuitions lying around but have no intent to use them over the stock liner unless they pack out too much (I have 8 days on them so far)

Ski/walk mechanism is burly and external so there's no doubt what mode you're in.

Fit - for me, they're great.

Alpine sole blocks have some rubber/vibram sections for bootpacking

 

Cons:

Forward lean adjustment...you have to do this with a tool and the boot off your foot.  The Zzeus had 2 settings that you could adjust on the fly.

A bit heavy for long tours.  I haven't noticed the difference because I'm generally doing tours of less than an hour but YMMV

They only come with 1 set of sole blocks (alpine on the non-SLs).  Not an issue for me; I don't like tech bindings because I ski almost exclusively in Vermont and the chatter/release issue scares me.

 

As Neonorchid noted, the shell sizes break differently than most boots.  The 27.5/28.0 shell is 317mm.  The 26.5/27.0 is 304mm.  Not all bootfitters know this, even some that are highly regarded.

 

Edit add:  I found this review on TGR's website for the SL version http://www.tetongravity.com/story/ski/teton-tested-scarpa-freedom-sl-ski-boot


Edited by bjohansson - 12/26/14 at 5:23am
post #12 of 13

Update to my post above.  I now have around 20 days on these boots and have done 4 more skin laps on them.  I'm more in love now than I was when I wrote the original post above.  Minimal packout on the liners, they are quite warm, tour better for my foot shape than the Zzeus did (heel blister issues on the Zzeus due to the nonexistent heel pocket) and the response from my brain to the skis is almost like racing plugs.

post #13 of 13

Scarpa states that they have sourced some kind of new earth feel good plastic.

 

Nah I'm not buying it.... they used the caps too!

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