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post #1 of 22
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I will be doing some "season long" testing of a few products that are in my test fleet for this season. First in this series will be the new K2 boot, the Pinnacle 130. Stay tuned in the thread for updates but feel free to ask question or post comments on your own along the way.

 

Title:  2014 K2 Pinnacle 130 100mm

 

 

Product:

Shell Size Tested: 25.5

Width:   100mm

Flex rating: 130

Ski tested with: K2 Amp Rictor XTi 90/Head Supershape iRally

Footbed: Full Custom Instaprint

Modifications done to boot: Heat mold liner w/thin toe cap

 

 

Environment of Conditions:

*Location of review: Northstar

*Runs Taken: 25

*Snow Conditions: packed powder

*Demo or Own: Own

*Ski tested with: K2 Amp Rictor 90, Head iRally

 

Summary:

This is the boot review that many have been waiting for. The new K2 boots are the “new” boots to hit the market in decades. While we have seen “ski” names on boots recently like Rossignol (Caber) and Atomic (Koflach) to name two, K2 started with a complete clean slate and did not purchase a boot company just to throw their name on a boot. K2 claims to be the only NEW boot that has not derived from a racing boot. 

 

Initial sizing:

Like many modern boots, the K2 runs a bit long so for initial fitting, be open to down (or right) sizing the boot. The Intuition Liner is pre molded from the start so you will get immediately get a feel of the boot will be one that you can work with or not. Shape inside feels very much like a modern Lange in the first and fifth met area along with over the instep and heel pocket, K2 also created a similar navicular punch. 

 

 

Liner:

The Intution liner is one of the areas where K2 is differentiating them selves from boots in this segment. K2 has had a long standing relationship with Intuition with their stepchild Full Tilt who used Intuition liners exclusively. K2 commissioned Intution to make a whole new design of a custom heat mold liner for these boots and I will say they did a very good job with the shape & design. While these are not trying to be a full bore lace up liner by any means they do not have that numb feel you get from a tradition Intuition, these are not your park riding nephew Dylan’s Intuition. For those who like my car analogies, think of these as a good high performance all season tire, they might not have the precision of a good summer compound, but they are not an “aqua-tread” by any means. 

 

 

Shell:

The first thing you notice about the K2 Pinnacle 130, besides it’s Kermit Green color is that is a DIN sole but also has Tech fitting. Where some manufactures require you to swap out the sole lugs for either DIN or Tech, the Pinnacle combined both into one..one...one sole design, pretty simple and ingenious. Will many people have the Pinnacle as their main touring boot? Probably not but it does give the weekend back country tourer the ability to get away with one boot until they decide to get more serious. The walk/hike/bar mode works quite well with just a flick of a lever in the back of the cuff and then opening of buckle #3 and releasing of the power strap that is a take on the simple yet efficient Tecnica design but the K2’s lever releases of of the boot, similar, yet different enough. My one negative of the shell design is the soles, yes, they are replaceable, but why not make them like other designs (Lange example) that allow canting shims between the sole and shell. Make the soles, simple and flat, not the contouring that has been integrated in this series.  Starting with a clean slate as K2 did, and saying that this was a boot designed with boot fitters in mind, this was something that was missed. 

 

 

On the snow:

I have been in more boots over the past three years than the previous 30 combined and most recently have been skiing the Nordica Patron/Tecnica Inferno cousins along with having spent a good amount of time in the Tecnica Cochise. I will say that the Pinnicle is the best combination of these walk/hike and technical boots I have tried. While I haven’t had a chance to push the boots in varied terrain and conditions, skiing them hard on groomers, laying the skis over on hard snow they reacted as well as I would hope. I skied the Pinnacles so far 2 days, one with the K2 Rictor Amp 90 and the second with the Head iRally. In both cases in these snow conditions the boot was positive in turn initiation and held well throughout the turn. Stance was very good in a relaxed upright position and I felt very skeletally stacked the whole day. 

 

Coming soon: more on the snow reports along with video.

 

 

Other boots in class: Lange XT130 , Tecnica Cochise 120/130

 

 

Tester Info:

Age: 49

Height/Weight: 5’10” 190lb

Average days on snow: 30+  

Years Skiing: 30+

Skis in your Quiver: Many in test fleet

Foot issues: 10* ankle range, right leg 1.5* canted

 

Aggressiveness: Moderate(Finesse) 

 

Preferred Terrain : (zoomer) groomers, bumps, off-piste, trees

 


Edited by Philpug - 11/30/13 at 8:10am
post #2 of 22
Excellent start, Phil. I look forward to reading more as the season rolls along.
post #3 of 22

Phil - what would you say are the biggest differences between these and the Cochise 130's?  Just a little more solid on hard pack?

post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

Phil - what would you say are the biggest differences between these and the Cochise 130's?  Just a little more solid on hard pack?

Stance and fit. The K2 is a more upright stance so it responds better laterally. The toe box in the Pinnacle is a bit squarer and the roof over the instep is lower Than the Cochise, it feels more like an Inferno lower. Theses are attributes that are different, not necessarily better one was or an other, just what you want in a boot.
post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post


Stance and fit. The K2 is a more upright stance so it responds better laterally. The toe box in the Pinnacle is a bit squarer and the roof over the instep is lower Than the Cochise, it feels more like an Inferno lower. Theses are attributes that are different, not necessarily better one was or an other, just what you want in a boot.

 

You had me interested at squarer toe box and then completely lost me at lower instep.  Not that I was really in the market - I'm looking forward to being in my Cochise this season and not having to break-in new boots after breaking in 3 pairs in the last 3 years.

 

I do like how K2 eliminated the swappable sole nonsense - hopefully that becomes standard.

post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post
 

 

You had me interested at squarer toe box and then completely lost me at lower instep.  Not that I was really in the market - I'm looking forward to being in my Cochise this season and not having to break-in new boots after breaking in 3 pairs in the last 3 years.

 

I do like how K2 eliminated the swappable sole nonsense - hopefully that becomes standard.


For you and your foot, the Cochise is the boot, no need to rethink it.

post #7 of 22
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Follow up: I have 7 days in the Pinnacle 130 and so far I have been more than happy with the fit and will say the Piccacle is one of the most comfortable boots I have skied in. Usually such comfort for scares me in a boot because more often than not it comes from a fit that is too big or too inefficient and usually both. This hasn't been the case with the Pinnacle and my experiences Saturday dismissed my concerns. This past Saturday was the first significant snowfall of the 2014 season, we had totals in the 2' range. Snow like we had usually shows a boots shortcomings and weaknesses because it is getting pulled around. The Pinnacle help up well under these adverse conditions and it performed well. Along with having the chance to ski in some deeper snow, the majority of my time so far in the Pinnacle has been on firm snow and with narrow skis. Edge response on the firmer snow has been good (other than not being canted) and for a high performance, not race derived boot it performs as well as can be expected. 

 

Walking/Hiking/Access which is more and more becoming a consideration in boots is an area where the Pinnacle also performs well. The release/loch mechanism that K2 has designed is accurate but when the top two straps are still closed, the range is limited to the point that I was able to ski the boot with the mechanism open and while the performance was lessened, it was still skiable where some of these types of boots are rendered un skiable. Now I am not endorsing skiing the boots this way nor am I saying that this is goon but if you are skiing the Pinnacle and something just doesn't feel right, check the walk feature. Now with the top two buckles unclasped, and the walk mechanism open, the stride in the boot was very good. 

post #8 of 22

great review with very useful details. I love the extend use review and followup.  Would you say this is another option for the Lange XT fans?   


Edited by Finndog - 12/11/13 at 5:36am
post #9 of 22
" My one negative of the shell design is the soles, yes, they are replaceable, but why not make them like other designs (Lange example) that allow canting shims between the sole and shell. Make the soles, simple and flat, not the contouring that has been integrated in this series. Starting with a clean slate as K2 did, and saying that this was a boot designed with boot fitters in mind, this was something that was missed. "

Sorry cant figure out how to quote with my phone. I think the reason for this is that canting and tech fittings don't mix well since the sole is not the interface and big changes in cant would prevent you from entering the toe and heel piece of the binding, especially in the case of adding wedges between the sole and shell. In an alpine binding cants would be fine and at best in a tech binding they would do nothing. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this. This is also the reason why you need/should use the extra plate for boots with bellows, the sole is not really resting on the binding the same way an alpine boot and binding do.
post #10 of 22
great info thanks. I bought a pair mail order. do you know if the boots can be worn straight off the shelf or do they need to be heated etc? I can go to a fitter but there are none where I live.
post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 

After 20 days in the Pinnacle I have not only been impressed with the fit and warmth of the boot but also the function. The walk feature works minimally, just enough to relieve tension on the thighs and calve when just released (and top buckle and strap still engaged)  but when fully released, top buckle and power strap open, the ability to walk, nay, stride in complete comfort with no pressure on the calve or the back of the leg. Since we haven't had any ability for back country testing here in Tahoe, that part of the review will have to wait..maybe till spring but seeing some glimpses to the 2015 product...this review can carry over till next season. 

post #12 of 22

Phil...out of curiosity (but not only)...do you happen to know where the Pinnacles are being produced?

In a shop here I could only find the 110 models, but the 130 with the 4th buckle interests me more.

I mean, I've got a nice deal on a pair of Dalbello Scorpion 130, with which to replace my aging  (8 seasons on snow) XT17...so I think that for on piste skiing I'll go that route for now...

But since I've started to differentiate between "on piste" equipment and "freeride" equipment...I'm also thinking to buy a pair of "heavy"

freeride/AT boots to use with my Baron mounted Goats....

Pinnacle 130 seems an interesting option and a good compromise between needs for uphill climb and downhill performances...

post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Nobody View Post
 

Phil...out of curiosity (but not only)...do you happen to know where the Pinnacles are being produced?

In a shop here I could only find the 110 models, but the 130 with the 4th buckle interests me more.

I mean, I've got a nice deal on a pair of Dalbello Scorpion 130, with which to replace my aging  (8 seasons on snow) XT17...so I think that for on piste skiing I'll go that route for now...

But since I've started to differentiate between "on piste" equipment and "freeride" equipment...I'm also thinking to buy a pair of "heavy"

freeride/AT boots to use with my Baron mounted Goats....

Pinnacle 130 seems an interesting option and a good compromise between needs for uphill climb and downhill performances...

The shells are molded in Italy and then assembled in Hungary. 

post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by K2NW View Post
 

The shells are molded in Italy and then assembled in Hungary. 

Thanks.

post #15 of 22
i have just skied 7 days in them and agree with the basic premise: a good, albeit not light, boot.

in fact, my only real bugbear is the power strap which I find unbuckled too easily when unclipped. by this I mean that it detached from the bar so that the strap was loose.

I skied them straight out of the box for a day and found them very comfortable as is. however, I have flat feet and had moulded sidas insoles and the liner heated in Klosters. This improved the fit, but not as dramatically as with some boots as they didn't really need it.

I have another 20+ days skiing to come including touring and heliskiing so will be interested to see how I get on with them.
post #16 of 22
When did you squeeze into a 25.5?
post #17 of 22
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When did you squeeze into a 25.5?

I have been in a 25.5 for about 5 years now..since my second Kr2. 

post #18 of 22
Hmmm.....I stepped up from a 24 to 25, whatcha got for me?
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post

Hmmm.....I stepped up from a 24 to 25, whatcha got for me?

Dunno. Hold your foot up to the modem, lets see what fits you. 

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hey guys. so i was just curious if anyone had experienced the same issues i had with the new k2 pinnacle 130. over all i love the boot, even though their my first ever actual pair I've owned coming strait out of my youth boots, i can't really say much because, well there the first, but so far just going to local ski shops and trying on boots these were the ones that cought my eye. (which isn't saying much), but after being on them for a full year, working as a ski instructor and staying in them all day i had started to notice the shells of the boot, just above the second buckle, starting from the inside going out, had started to crack. altogether id say I'm a well rounded skier spending most of my time in the woods and occasionally dipping into the park for a few kickers, it progressively got worse as the season went on with both sides of the overlapping shell cracking and me having to drill 2 little holes in both sides of the shell at the end of the cracks to stop them from splitting. as the season came to an end i brought my boots to a shop where they had sent them into k2, and in return k2 refunded the boot sending me another brand new pair for this season. yes this is great but as i became more curious to see if people were having problems or if k2 had released something about a faulty shells, there was nothing. which sparks another question, am i going to have the same issue this year and have to repeat this process all over again. so.. now i ask the riders of the new boot, have you experienced the same thing i have or did i just get a pair with faulty shells?

post #22 of 22
Hi guys, The fitment and stiffness is perfect! but i have same problem with my K2 Pinnacle 130 boots. After 6days in the alps there was a huge crack in de the right cuff from the back to the hole of the cuff bolt. Back home( the netherlands) i got a new pair of boots from the dealer. When back in austria after 2 days some piece of plastic inside the hike/ski buckle broke.... so one boot in ski mode and one boot in walk mode, made the call to the dealer in the netherland and they told me to go to a K2 dealer in austria. But the K2 dealere in austria did not have a new boot in my size so i had to rent a pair of salomons.... The dealere in the netherlands could give me again a new pair of K2 Pinnacle's but i dont want to take the risk to go again with K2 so i got my money back.
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