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Question about market griffon bindings for small women skier

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Has any small framed women had trouble with the marker griffon? My wife is expert skier 130 lbs. she just got bushwacker with the griffon. She can't get into them without a struggle. Doesn't seem right. We brought them back to the shop and they said they weren't defective. Should a 130 lb female be able to stand on one leg and still not be able to click in?
post #2 of 7
Pretty common issue. A good option for someone like herself would be the Tyrolia Attack 13... Light and easy to in and out of.
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Thread Starter 
Thanks, that helps.

A little more info, that was actually my wife posting earlier.

She is basically unable to click into them anywhere that is not perfectly flat without help (me lifting the heel piece up while she drives her heel down, it actually took 3-4 tries per ski after a break at the top of the mountain today).

We're going to bring them back to the shop and see what they can do for us, but switching to the Tyrolias may wind up being the best option. It's a shame to drill a second set of holes in skis with only 2 days on them, but there is no way she can ski them as is...if they come off on a steep trail, in the woods, in powder, or other less than ideal conditions I do not see how she would get them back on.
post #4 of 7

The Marker Royalty heels and the Rossi/Look Axial2/PX all have this issue for smaller skiers.

post #5 of 7

While the Marker Royals are well known for being a minor PITA, a 130 pound person probably should not have that much trouble with a Griffon.


One thing that has a big impact is the forward pressure adjustment on the Royals. If it is even a little bit  off, the binding is much, much harder to get into. In the "corner" of the heel piece, there is a little round roll (sort of like putting a straw in where wall and floor meet). If the boot heel hits that just right, as it normally  does with the correct forward pressure set, the binding engages much more easily. I could also imagine a boot with a super worn heel making it harder to engage - because even with forward pressure set right, the boot heel corner might not really hit that nubbin right.


Good luck!

post #6 of 7

As markojp says, it's a known issue. However, I wouldn't give up all hope quite yet. I am only 5lbs heavier than the woman in question here. It's possible that I'm a bit taller, a bit stronger, and/or have a bit longer boot, so it's not apples-to-apples. But it's probably not a radical difference. I do occasionally have a mild case of the trouble described with my Griffons, so i'm not discounting it.


My observation over the decades is that for certain bindings there are subtle "tricks" that can make getting in and out of them easier, in terms of exactly how to capitalize on whatever size and strength we do have. I think most of us lightweights use those tricks without realizing it, because we figured them out early on, internalized them, and don't even realize that we're applying them.


With that in mind, I would put the skis on a rug and have her just spend some time low-pressure time playing with getting in and out, with boots on and poles in hand - maybe even while watching TV or something, so that it's clear that she doesn't have to get into them right this second. (Yeah, you gotta watch the pole tips on the rug.) I predict that after a couple of dozen attempts she'll figure out a way that usually works. I'm pretty sure that for me I have found that a single aggressive rearward "snap" move,  that uses the back spine of the boot as a lever - she should feel her toes pulling up against the roof of the toe box, and the ski sliding forward an inch or so on the carpet - works much better than just trying to use my body weight statically. I think I have one pole planted behind my heel somewhere so that if I over-do it I have a brace available.


It's true that the snow may not provide as solid a platform as your family room floor all the time, but once she has the "trick" down at least she'll know what the correct movement feels like and that it can and does work for her.

post #7 of 7
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Thank you all for your help.  We did try practicing inside, and my wife felt she had figured it out, but out in the cold and on the snow it was another story.  To the point that after a break in the lodge at the top of the lift she couldn't get her skis back on without my help, and it took several tries with me helping to lift the heel piece while she stepped in.  She tried them again half way down an intermediate trail at a flat out of the way stopping point and again could not get them on without my help.


I'm sure that eventually she would have been able to get them to a point where they were manageable and she could usually get them on the first or second try on flat firm snow, but based on what I saw I don't think she would have ever been able to get them on in powder or on a steep trail.  So we brought them back in and the shop swapped the Griffons for Tyrolia Attack 13s, they work great.

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