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Converting skis to AT setup?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thinking about remounting my Line Prophet 90's to an AT setup. Is this doable or should I save some $$ and go with a lighter ski?

If I had the money now I would go with the Rossi Soul 7's. Actually just did a little research I think if I had the money I would go with the new Line Sick Day 110's with one of the bindings below

Marker Duke vs Salomon Guardian?

Happy Thanksgiving

Boomer


Edited by boom2it - 11/27/13 at 5:23pm
post #2 of 26

Sounds good to me. Do it. As you are thinking Duke or Guardian instead of Dynafit why worry about the ski weight.

post #3 of 26

what is your intention for the set-up?  what types of trips do you want to do?  what boots?

 

If you are just doing some resorts and occasional slack country with your normal dh boot, slapping a Guardian on the Lines might be OK.  Otherwise, think through what you wish to accomplish

post #4 of 26
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Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
 

Sounds good to me. Do it. As you are thinking Duke or Guardian instead of Dynafit why worry about the ski weight.

Yeah exactly. The other option that could work well is buy some Dynafits and mount them using inserts to the P90's and insert the existing bindings as well, that way you can easily switch between the two. For touring you'll appreciate the lighter weight of the dynafit.

post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by tsk94 View Post
 

Yeah exactly. The other option that could work well is buy some Dynafits and mount them using inserts to the P90's and insert the existing bindings as well, that way you can easily switch between the two. For touring you'll appreciate the lighter weight of the dynafit.

Inserts are the way to go, using my S7's with Jesters and Dukes.  Done properly they will never rip out or spin.

post #6 of 26
Canadianskier already gave you the right answer.
post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies,

I would be using my DH boots and not doing in long touring, early morning powder or full moon turns at my local mtn (MRG), and side/slack country jaunts would be about as ambitious as I would get. Just looking to have the option when I feel like adventuring.

How do the "inserts" work, I will have to research that option.

post #8 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies,

I would be using my DH boots and not doing in long touring, early morning powder or full moon turns at my local mtn (MRG), and side/slack country jaunts would be about as ambitious as I would get. Just looking to have the option when I feel like adventuring.

How do the "inserts" work, I will have to research that option.

post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by boom2it View Post
 

Thanks for the replies,

I would be using my DH boots and not doing in long touring, early morning powder or full moon turns at my local mtn (MRG), and side/slack country jaunts would be about as ambitious as I would get. Just looking to have the option when I feel like adventuring.

How do the "inserts" work, I will have to research that option.


Inserts allow you mount two different bindings if the hole spacing allows.   They are super easy to install and durable if installed properly with good 48-72hour epoxy and a steady hand for drilling.  Got mine from SlideWright

 

post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the video tutorial.

I can understand why in that particular instance you would want to swap out various binding setups, (ie, demo and reviewing new products). What I don't understand with the "insert" is why you would want to swap out bindings?

Why not just install a binding that can be used for frontside or backside? I thought that was the whole idea of an AT setup like the Dukes or Guardians? Am I missing something? Are AT bindings able to take the everyday abuse and pounding or bumps, trees, steeps, ledges, etc? 

Thanks again just trying to get the full picture

Boomer

post #11 of 26

Duke/Guardian -

Plus - You can tour or carve and travel where and when you want to.

Minus - Marginally higher stack height and not quite as solid a boot binding connection as a dedicated alpine binding.

 

Inserts-

Plus - You can have dedicated Alpine or AT when you want. If you like to play with your gear and will plan ahead for side country jaunts the inserts would be optimal. Most skiers can't tell the difference between Optimal and Almost. Of those that can, 90% don't care, they just want to ski.

Minus - You can't go for a day of inbounds skiing and decide to "see what's over there" outside the ropes without losing an hour of the day swapping bindings.

 

My opinion FWIW - Get the Duke/Guardian. Mount them up and see how you like them. You can explore new places this season. You can always add inserts to swap back and forth if you want to.

post #12 of 26

I don't see how adding a lighter ski to the quiver will save you money, but anyways...

 

For your objectives I'd just mount a Duke or Guardian to whatever ski you choose.  For short tours in alpine boots these should be fine.  No need to look at the lightweight touring options or tech bindings for those objectives.  Dukes/Guardians will do well for primarily resort skiing with short tours. 

 

Inserts have their advantages but for your plans I'd avoid them.  They're best for swapping 1 binding between multiple skis (such as 1 expensive tech binding on more than 1 touring ski)  or mounting 1 ski with a touring and alpine binders (especially tech binders).  They are much more finicky (requiring time to make the swaps) and require some skill to install properly.   Realistically you're swapping them at home and not on the hill or in the parking lot.  But if you're using alpine boots and doing short occasional tours, I don't see them helping you.

 

As far as adding another ski, that's a whole other discussion.  Are you touring for powder?  Then a fatter ski will be more fun in the deep snow.  You could keep the Prophet 90s mounted as they are now and get a fatter ski with a sidecountry binder for short tours and resort pow days.  But this isn't going to save you money.

post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by whatsupdoc View Post
 

I don't see how adding a lighter ski to the quiver will save you money, but anyways...

 

For your objectives I'd just mount a Duke or Guardian to whatever ski you choose.  For short tours in alpine boots these should be fine.  No need to look at the lightweight touring options or tech bindings for those objectives.  Dukes/Guardians will do well for primarily resort skiing with short tours. 

 

Inserts have their advantages but for your plans I'd avoid them.  They're best for swapping 1 binding between multiple skis (such as 1 expensive tech binding on more than 1 touring ski)  or mounting 1 ski with a touring and alpine binders (especially tech binders).  They are much more finicky (requiring time to make the swaps) and require some skill to install properly.   Realistically you're swapping them at home and not on the hill or in the parking lot.  But if you're using alpine boots and doing short occasional tours, I don't see them helping you.

 

As far as adding another ski, that's a whole other discussion.  Are you touring for powder?  Then a fatter ski will be more fun in the deep snow.  You could keep the Prophet 90s mounted as they are now and get a fatter ski with a sidecountry binder for short tours and resort pow days.  But this isn't going to save you money.

"I don't see how adding a lighter ski to the quiver will save you money, but anyways..."

 

Maybe I didn't state it clearly.......meant "saving" as in save up money to spend on new ski's, such as the Sick Day 110 mounted with the Duke or Guardian's, and yes if I go that route I would just keep the P90's as they are. I do love the P90's, they do everything I ask of them, whether its crud, groomers, bumps, trees, and powder. If I buy a new setup, I would never go any wider than a 110 under foot even on the deepest of days, but thats just the old school in me.

I just remounted my GD Dark Stars last season, (old binding blew up), and can't wait to reintroduce them to snow, I just can't let go of these, (collectors item in great condition). 

Thanks again for all the input, it has been very helpful

Boomer

post #14 of 26

Whoops, missed that one.  Maybe I shouldn't post after a couple of drinks. 

 

Well I think you'd be psyched on the soft snow performance of something like a sick day 110 or Soul 7 compared to the P90.  Big upgrade in soft snow.  Keep the P90 as it is for all mountain duty at the resort and pick up something like a soul 7 with a frame AT binding (Guardian, Duke) for resort pow days, sidecountry, short tours, and traveling west if you can afford it.

post #15 of 26
Good thread! I had the same exact question as OP, and this answered allot. AT setups seem kinda confusing to me, I think I'd like to just mount some marker dukes (love all of my marker bindings) to my fattys and use my DH boots to try out some slack country/very short tour turns to see how I like it.
post #16 of 26

AT setups ultimately are one of the most nuanced systems in skiing. I recently decided mount guardians on my powder ski to use for at least 80% resort skiing. When I talk about the setup I have found that people think I'm insane until I explain that I don't plan to skin 4K vertical and rather am going to be mainly going sideways from the top of the mountain on the very best of days. Ultimately I think you need to build the setup that fits with your aspirations. Given my understanding of the world, only a small % of skiers are actually counting grams and opting not to buy tickets. (pls note, its super bad ass to do that, but most of us joeys are just not in good enough shape) 

post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post

AT setups ultimately are one of the most nuanced systems in skiing. I recently decided mount guardians on my powder ski to use for at least 80% resort skiing. When I talk about the setup I have found that people think I'm insane until I explain that I don't plan to skin 4K vertical and rather am going to be mainly going sideways from the top of the mountain on the very best of days. Ultimately I think you need to build the setup that fits with your aspirations. Given my understanding of the world, only a small % of skiers are actually counting grams and opting not to buy tickets. (pls note, its super bad ass to do that, but most of us joeys are just not in good enough shape) 

Pretty much nailed the only reason I want a AT setup, not counting weight just want the ability to be able to skin to places less traveled.
post #18 of 26

Well it often starts out that way, and then you find you enjoy the BC more that the FS and the up as much as the down. It becomes as much about the journey as the destination and then the lightness of being comes into play.  Enjoy the discovery.

post #19 of 26

OK, so here's my side of the conversation I always ask the guy (it's always a guy) on the gondola toting 15 lb powder boards mounted up with Dukes, wearing racing boots, as I'm riding up toting Manaslus mounted with Plum Guides, wearing Titans, carrying Avy pack, skins, beacon, shovel, etc. (a full AT ski mountaineering rig)..  "Hey, cool; Marker Dukes!  Where are going?  Oh, really?  Do you have skins?  No?  So, what do you do with the Dukes?  Hmmmmm.  OK.

 

I have yet to meet anybody with Marker Dukes who is carrying skins.  Am I missing something?

post #20 of 26

They are rare. I know one. He rocks a Duke/Pontoon and Lange 4 buckle boot and knows how to use them.  I prefer to ride the lifts with my Manaslu/Comfort/One's outfit and mohair mix in the pack in case I get an urge to wander. I don't carry crampons as if I come to a place I need them, I turn back.


Edited by wooley12 - 12/7/13 at 9:29pm
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by raspritz View Post

 

I have yet to meet anybody with Marker Dukes who is carrying skins.  Am I missing something?


I had Barons/Dukes for awhile.  I carried skins once & actually used them...

for about 20 minutes ;).

post #22 of 26

when I'm riding the gondola with my full AT mountaineering rig, I make sure my hydration bladder is filled with as much smug as I can fit.

post #23 of 26
I always get a laugh when the guy in full AT gear on the Gondi tells me " I like the uphill just as much as the down"!
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

I always get a laugh when the guy in full AT gear on the Gondi tells me " I like the uphill just as much as the down"!

 

Good One !

 

Thought I would add a little perspective.  At 70yrs moved away from PSIA teaching, racing and started moving into the trees, powder searching and off the backside, hitchhiking back up to the ski area lifts, some light skinning out of stash areas.  Was reluctant to buy and go full AT because just didn't know how my enthusiasm would hold up, not to mention my bode.  So, went Rossi S7  178 (my powder skis were S7 190) went shorter for more versatility in variable conditions with Atomic Tracker bindings.  Haven't used the new set up yet.  Last year my skinning was on an old pair of S7's, 176cm with Barons.  I sold the Barons to a guy in NYC for more than I paid for them, kept the S7's and put demo bindings on them (ski swap $59.00) for my visiting friends.

 

Don't really know if I will get into BC more to warrant lighter boots, bindings and ski's but have all the avi gear and looking forward to BC and Sidecountry.  There is a new group forming in No. Idaho called Panhandlebackcountry.com and the more experienced people are going to take rookies like me out more into the BC., i.e., Mineral Basin area behind Lookout Pass Ski area in the Bitteroots.

 

Sorry if I rambled too much just an old farts thoughts on getting into the BC and buying the right gear.

post #25 of 26
okay , I took the plunge. Converted my Atomic Automatic 186cm alpine set up to AT. Stripped the alpine marker bindings and shed the heavy but stable tecnica boots. I mounted dynafit ft radical at bindings on the AA186cm and I am using the Scarpa Rush boot. I have yet to ski this, but the backyard test is OOOOOOOHYAAAAAAAAA. I can see a quick change in weight and manuveralbility off the bat. I need to test them now. Most concern will be in the hard pack fast carver turns on the grooms. My concern is the boot and binding. The ski has been great on the prior with the Marker alpine and the Tecnica boot. The flex is equivent to the Scarpa Rush, so only way to tel is take them up and let them ride. as soon as I get my change I will let you know about my one quiver.
post #26 of 26

Well then get out there and ski them!  Then let us know how they skied.

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