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Race skis with Telemark Bindings

post #1 of 12
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Hey all,

 

I recently posted a question on another forum site (TetonGravity).

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/270236-East-Coast-Tele-on-Race-skis

 

After talking with the people that forum I decided that...

I decided that I want to get a pair, cheap off eBay used, basically just mess around with on the icy days there in the mid-east (south-eastern Indiana/ south-western Ohio)

 

I was directed here to ask about sizing of race skis because there are more race people here on this forum. I'm not really sure what length I should get? Or a couple other things.

About me: I have been telemarking for a couple years now. I'm mid 20's, in shape, 5'9" 190lbs. Just upgraded my equipment this year. I previously skied (and learned to Tele) on K2 Paste Pipe 179, 22 Designs HH, and Garmont Syner-G. I upgraded this year to Line Prophet 90 172, 22 Designs Vice and Crispi XR. Mainly ski at Perfect North (south-eastern Indiana/ south-western Ohio)

 

I'm going to put a pair of HH's or Vices on whatever I get.

As hinted before; What size should I look at? Type? Brands? Mounting position?

 

 

I look forward to the help and response!!

 

Thanks,

jbultman

post #2 of 12

I'd get a pair of 165 Slalom race skis with a riser plate.  I'd go for a turn radius of about 12m.  It shouldn't be that hard to find a pair of good race skis for a decent price.

 

Edit:  

 

I just looked at your TGR Thread.  I'm not sure if you can mount on an existing race plate or not.  I think you will want the height to above boot out and give you more tourque on the edges.  I have a pair of race stock 165 Sl skis for alpine which feature a huge plate.  I think they would be a blast on Tele.  If you can't mount on the race plate, I would consider fabricating a riser to replace the race plate.  I am 5'10, 174 lbs, I use a 178-188 ski normally.  I see you go a bit shorter.  You might like the slalom ski in the 160 range.


Edited by tetonpwdrjunkie - 11/26/13 at 6:00pm
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

I'd get a pair of 165 Slalom race skis with a riser plate.  I'd go for a turn radius of about 12m.  It shouldn't be that hard to find a pair of good race skis for a decent price.

Edit:  

I just looked at your TGR Thread.  I'm not sure if you can mount on an existing race plate or not.  I think you will want the height to above boot out and give you more tourque on the edges.  I have a pair of race stock 165 Sl skis for alpine which feature a huge plate.  I think they would be a blast on Tele.  If you can't mount on the race plate, I would consider fabricating a riser to replace the race plate.  I am 5'10, 174 lbs, I use a 178-188 ski normally.  I see you go a bit shorter.  You might like the slalom ski in the 160 range.

Yea a 160-165 sl ski off eBay I was looking at. I do ski skis that are a bit shorter, only because where I ski, control is much more important than the positives that a longer ski would provide.
I talked to a race buddy the other day and he mentioned a gs ski on the 175 range because of the bigger turning radius, unlike the 12-14m of a slalom ski.thoughts?
I would be hesitant to drill into a riser with Tele bindings because the screw would be going into the plate not the ski. But I do have an adapter plate that I previously had with my old piste pipes that Im thinking might work. It's only about 3mm though.
Do I need a riser or can I just mount to the ski itself?
post #4 of 12

About 8 years ago there was a ski instructor with the Billy Kidd race camp in Steamboat that had Tele bindings on his Rossi 9S skis. He could rip thru the gates. Those skis didn't have risers. I know the current Rossi race skis have plates that can be removed but on some brands they cannot be removed. Unless you are seriously racing, I doubt that you would boot out if the skis didn't have a plate.

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Originally Posted by jbultman View Post


Yea a 160-165 sl ski off eBay I was looking at. I do ski skis that are a bit shorter, only because where I ski, control is much more important than the positives that a longer ski would provide.
I talked to a race buddy the other day and he mentioned a gs ski on the 175 range because of the bigger turning radius, unlike the 12-14m of a slalom ski.thoughts?
I would be hesitant to drill into a riser with Tele bindings because the screw would be going into the plate not the ski. But I do have an adapter plate that I previously had with my old piste pipes that Im thinking might work. It's only about 3mm though.
Do I need a riser or can I just mount to the ski itself?

 

Drilling into a riser shouldn't be a problem, assuming it's not hollowed out where you want to drill, especially with 6 screw toe pieces. While not absolutely mandatory, you've got nothing to lose and probably some gain by using risers ...... but I put risers on everything!  I rode Head GSs for a while - preferred them over quicker SLs but that was simply due to age and lack of flexibility :mad

post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by Paul Lutes View Post
 

 

Drilling into a riser shouldn't be a problem, assuming it's not hollowed out where you want to drill, especially with 6 screw toe pieces. While not absolutely mandatory, you've got nothing to lose and probably some gain by using risers ...... but I put risers on everything!  I rode Head GSs for a while - preferred them over quicker SLs but that was simply due to age and lack of flexibility :mad

 

 

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Originally Posted by JW MN View Post
 

About 8 years ago there was a ski instructor with the Billy Kidd race camp in Steamboat that had Tele bindings on his Rossi 9S skis. He could rip thru the gates. Those skis didn't have risers. I know the current Rossi race skis have plates that can be removed but on some brands they cannot be removed. Unless you are seriously racing, I doubt that you would boot out if the skis didn't have a plate.

 

 

 

I have a plate from my old skis that I'm thinking might work. Here are some pictures....

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4nt26oSkWo9d0FkOXJBV1FCTVk/edit?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4nt26oSkWo9UXhCWTQ3MnFCTm8/edit?usp=sharing

 

Or should I just say screw and remove the plate and mount the binding?

 

I found a pair of used blizzards 165 SL on eBay for under 100, but I'm just worried about them having a too short turn radius for Tele skiing. I.e. 12 vs 17 vs 25

 

Help would be much appreciated in choosing SL vs GS... Ideas? Thoughts? Opinions?

Thanks for the help...

 

Happy Turkey Day to all!!!

post #7 of 12

The primary purpose of those plates wasn't so much height ( I believe those are only around 5 mm)as it was to provide 2 mounting positions ..... and there are better options for that purpose i.e. 3+ position options and a 6 hole plate mount (highly recommended) instead of just 4.  Assuming the bases are good to go, I'd say go ahead and give the SLs a shot, assuming you're young ....ish and flexible; You'll never really know about short radius, quick turns  until you try. I'd add at least 10 mm in riser height to your bindings, though. 

post #8 of 12

hi guys, i have a similar question. i have seen a racing set rottefella NTN freeride and Dynastar Speed Course WC R20

http://www.dynastar.com/PL/PL/speed-course-world-cup-r20-racing_DACDA01_product_dynastar-skis-men-race.html

 

the skis originally have a plate but it was removed. what do you think about this combination?

 

i have bought this ski already and put rottefella NTN freedom bindings.... will see next week in Stubai:) i will test it. 

my boot is Scarpa TX Pro.

 

best jurek

post #9 of 12

jurekp 

 

I just bought the exact same setup => dynastar course ti + ntn freedom bindings. Did you remove the plate or did you drill through it? Any advice on what combination was better? 

 

thanks very much

post #10 of 12

To your original question.

Carving on high performance skis on tele's is great fun.  You can really learn technique.  Find one of the east coast tele racers, there are a few.  It's all in the hips to generate angulation, and will help your other tele skiing too.

 

I've found most happiness in fischers, but head's would work too.  Easiest plates to drill into.

 

Longer than 23m radius gets pretty long.

17m is my favourite.

The slalom type skis are really tight, know that you really want that if you're going that route.

 

Match them close to your height, maybe a smidge less.

 

My favourite two currently are a Fischer RC4 WC Women's GS (doesn't say women's on it) 180cm 23.5m radius and a Fischer RC4 WC Junior 180cm 17m radius.  You probably don't want the stiffest ski for this application, hence the women's and the junior lengths work.  If you go for a full men's race ski it'll be quite stiff - it's possible to ski it well, just know that you want that up front.

 

The plates are smaller with the expectation of smaller feet on both, but should be fine with NTN's unless you have feet over say a size 11.5.

 

Make sure to get an edge tool that can do race angled edges to make this worthwhile, and tune every time or every other time you go out, but you east coast ice skiers know that already ; )

post #11 of 12

Jurek I'd be interested to hear about this too.  I have seen this combo.  Depends on how fast you want to ski.  Personally I find those dynastars to be a bigger radius than I think I'd want - they're a 25m right?  If you're truly carving them, those are big turns.

post #12 of 12

Hi Guys,

I've been on a Fischer WC SL 165cm ski with NTN's for the past 2 seasons.  They are great, fun skis for the hardback/ice in Michigan.  This setup has really helped me be able to carve a tele turn and not slide it around.  I've also got the higher riser plates (pink ones).  I pulled off the generic plates that came with the skis and mounted the risers with NTN's.  I am 5'8" and 138 lbs on a good day so this setup works well for me even at faster speeds.  I started racing in the local beer league as I'm there every week when my daughter is training.  This ski works well in the small hills and race courses in Michigan.  I can't generate the speed as the big boys on their GS skis, but I don't have a race background either.  I also tried a 2 year old Fischer WC GS ski in a 175cm with a >17M radius.  The speeds that I had to go to turn this was a little scary and I couldn't really get it up that fast on a small hill.  Probably technique related but that experiment didn't work.

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