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post #31 of 43

hey to refine your selection a bit

 

I see the "Quiver gap" at this ~point but do you want it to favor harder or softer snow and tighter or more open terrain (and what type for that matter) I see bumps but what else? I really liked the Soul Rider a lot but felt for firmer snow it had too much tail rocker (too long of a run)  

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well lets see some video then? 

Josh, is it possible for you to contribute without diminishing others? Why not simply say, " this wasn't my experience on the ski at all... " then simply share what your thoughts about the skis. Be Barry Sanders, not Ochocinco.
post #33 of 43

That guy is going to make history it's just a matter of time.

post #34 of 43
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It is. To a point. On steeper trails and at faster speeds is where I wished for some titanal.

 

And also in crud...

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Really liking the Steadfasts. I had some initial skepticism and was not wowed at first. The lack of metal is very different from the Kastle MX and FXs that I am used to, but I think it's more of a feel thing than a performance thing now that I am used to them, I almost feel like I need to buy another pair and stash 'em for a rainy day. I think the ski is actually a great blend of the things I like about the MX and the FX in the shape department. The very low early rise is just right, there's not too much taper in the shape and I like that the tip pulls a little more than the FX, but not as much as the MX. I wonder how the Hall and Back is different from these.

 
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I just skied them in some really nice bumps yesterday (lookout trail at Stowe) and felt like they were just about perfect for how I like to ski bumps. It was my best/most enjoyable bump run in a long time. I am 200 lbs on a 178, YMMV.

 

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Steadfast is good for firm conditions

 

It is. To a point. On steeper trails and at faster speeds is where I wished for some titanal.

 

My Steadfast review: I agree with epic.... 

 

OK, I'll add a few details, since I'm a big mouth.  

 

I skied everything at Copper on two really nice firm days.  Lots of steeps, bumps, fast groomers, and leftover trees.  It's hard to imagine a ski I'd rather be on for those conditions.   I'm a Kendo fanboy and the Steadfast was an extremely capable replacement.   I haven't been on the Kendo in 8 months, so it's not fair to do a comparison.  I'm also probably not capable of comparing the two anyway, just like I'm not capable of comparing two good Cabernets.  I just know when I like a ski or wine, and I really like the Steadfast.

 

A few details (I'm 5'11" 185lbs and on the 178 Steadfast mounted with STH14's):

 

1. Steadfast is a serious ski.   After skiing my Sickle's in powder for the last month (yeah it's been rough in CO :D) it was quite a shock to get back on a serious ski.   It really made me realize the great divide between serious and not serious skis.  Even though Copper had about the nicest chalky firm conditions you could possibly imagine, I quickly came to appreciate the seriousness of the Steadfast.  I can also see how others wouldn't, and why Nordica is choosing to make their new line of skis less serious.

 

2. Steeps.  We skied lots and lots of wind blown chalky steeps.  What a great ski for steeps, and the nice stiffer flex and great edge hold is fantastic for ripping them at speed.

 

3. Bumps.  I love this ski in the bumps.  I also enjoy the Kendo in the bumps.  Lot's of folks will probably hate them both in the bumps and be happier on a less serious ski.   The Steadfast can really rip a fast zipper line.  The flex and precision felt great.  I think it's a nice middle ground for me between the 170 Kendo which I love in the bumps and the 177 Kendo that is better all around for me.   I doubt I would like the 170 Steadfast as much as I like the 170 Kendo at my weight.  I don't think I'll bother trying the 170 Steadfast given how much I like the 178.  I'm still going to try to pick up a used 170 Kendo as my early season bump/rock ski for when my 170 AC30 that currently fill that role die.

 

4. Groomers.  Really super fun.  Copper was setting up the netting for the US Ski Team's DH course (must be some event coming) and it was fun to open them up there :D.  I don't think I got close to their speed limit, but a) the surface conditions were fantastic, and b) I felt the speed limit was probably a little lower than the Kendo... but higher than I should be skiing in any case.

 

5. Soft snow and crud.  Very, very capable and fun... for a serious ski.   After spending so many recent days on the wider and less serious Sickle, I can see why skiers and manufactures are gravitating toward less serious skis.  They are just so much easier to ski off-piste.... but, personally, if I was forced to pick just one ski for all conditions, at this moment in time it would be the Steadfast.

 

Here are a few pics of the fantastic chalky firm conditions at Copper:

 

 

post #36 of 43
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My Steadfast review: I agree with epic.... 

 

OK, I'll add a few details, since I'm a big mouth.  

 

I skied everything at Copper on two really nice firm days.  Lots of steeps, bumps, fast groomers, and leftover trees.  It's hard to imagine a ski I'd rather be on for those conditions.   I'm a Kendo fanboy and the Steadfast was an extremely capable replacement.   I haven't been on the Kendo in 8 months, so it's not fair to do a comparison.  I'm also probably not capable of comparing the two anyway, just like I'm not capable of comparing two good Cabernets.  I just know when I like a ski or wine, and I really like the Steadfast.

 

A few details (I'm 5'11" 185lbs and on the 178 Steadfast mounted with STH14's):

 

1. Steadfast is a serious ski.   After skiing my Sickle's in powder for the last month (yeah it's been rough in CO :D) it was quite a shock to get back on a serious ski.   It really made me realize the great divide between serious and not serious skis.  Even though Copper had about the nicest chalky firm conditions you could possibly imagine, I quickly came to appreciate the seriousness of the Steadfast.  I can also see how others wouldn't, and why Nordica is choosing to make their new line of skis less serious.

 

2. Steeps.  We skied lots and lots of wind blown chalky steeps.  What a great ski for steeps, and the nice stiffer flex and great edge hold is fantastic for ripping them at speed.

 

3. Bumps.  I love this ski in the bumps.  I also enjoy the Kendo in the bumps.  Lot's of folks will probably hate them both in the bumps and be happier on a less serious ski.   The Steadfast can really rip a fast zipper line.  The flex and precision felt great.  I think it's a nice middle ground for me between the 170 Kendo which I love in the bumps and the 177 Kendo that is better all around for me.   I doubt I would like the 170 Steadfast as much as I like the 170 Kendo at my weight.  I don't think I'll bother trying the 170 Steadfast given how much I like the 178.  I'm still going to try to pick up a used 170 Kendo as my early season bump/rock ski for when my 170 AC30 that currently fill that role die.

 

4. Groomers.  Really super fun.  Copper was setting up the netting for the US Ski Team's DH course (must be some event coming) and it was fun to open them up there :D.  I don't think I got close to their speed limit, but a) the surface conditions were fantastic, and b) I felt the speed limit was probably a little lower than the Kendo... but higher than I should be skiing in any case.

 

5. Soft snow and crud.  Very, very capable and fun... for a serious ski.   After spending so many recent days on the wider and less serious Sickle, I can see why skiers and manufactures are gravitating toward less serious skis.  They are just so much easier to ski off-piste.... but, personally, if I was forced to pick just one ski for all conditions, at this moment in time it would be the Steadfast.

 

Would you rate the Kendo stiffer or softer than the Steadfast?

post #37 of 43

I hate to say after skiing them 8 months apart, but I'm pretty sure the Kendo is stiffer than the Steadfast.  Not that the Steadfast isn't stiff (remarkably stiff given the lack of metal), just the Kendo is stiffer.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

post #38 of 43

I too like them very much  in bumps...

post #39 of 43
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I hate to say after skiing them 8 months apart, but I'm pretty sure the Kendo is stiffer than the Steadfast.  Not that the Steadfast isn't stiff (remarkably stiff given the lack of metal), just the Kendo is stiffer.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

When handflexing the Kendo vs Steadfast I thought the Kendo flex seemed softer than the Steadfast which makes me want to buy the Kendo over the Steadfast.

 

Anyone have an opinion on the flex by hand for those 2 skis?

post #40 of 43
Hell and Back.
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Hell and Back.

Unfortunately discontinued, what, two seasons back? So, might be hard to get.
post #42 of 43

The new Enforcer could fit the hole. 

post #43 of 43
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Unfortunately discontinued, what, two seasons back? So, might be hard to get.

Discontinued last year, I think, not two years ago.  @Philpug would know with certainty.  Plenty still floating around, including, I believe at Start Haus.

 

Ripping ski.  I replaced a dearly departed pair of Enforcers with H&Bs, and had real reservations, but not after putting a few hours on them.

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