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staying at smugglers notch and getting to stowe ?

Poll Results: Assuming it takes an hour to get to Stowe from a condo on the smuggler notch side is it worth the drive for a day?

 
  • 40% (2)
    yes
  • 60% (3)
    no
5 Total Votes  
post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

these two places to seem right on top of each other.

 

if we have a condo on the smugglers notch side for 4 days on dec 12, is there a way to not have to drive an hour to Stowe?


they look like they are right on top of each other.

 

 

it seems as though Route 108 is not open in the winter. if could had studded tires and an suv could you just take it anyway?

 

 

 

 

lastly , lets assuming the only way to get to stowe is driving an hour is it worth it to check it out one day ? never been to either, always drove past them to jay peak or tremblant , or stopped way before (stratton or killington).

 

thanks

post #2 of 19

There's a trail from the top of the Sterling chair at Smuggs over to Big Spruce at Stowe. It's not in use anymore. No way you could drive the notch (108) in winter unless you had a snowcat. In my opinion it's worth the hour or so drive over to Stowe.

post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by yuik View Post
 

it seems as though Route 108 is not open in the winter. if could had studded tires and an suv could you just take it anyway?

 

Is it possible? Yes, maybe, but it's a bad idea. There are gates to keep you from doing it and you'll probably get stuck til spring. You can ski across, but only if it has snowed a lot before then. The drive is about an hour, and if it hasn't snowed tons it will definitely be worth it.

post #4 of 19
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You can ski across, but only if it has snowed a lot before then.

Just curious, if they did ski across, how could they get back?

post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

Just curious, if they did ski across, how could they get back?

 

Ski back too. It's mostly downhill both ways. Obviously you need a lift ticket for both mountains.

post #6 of 19
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Ski back too. It's mostly downhill both ways. Obviously you need a lift ticket for both mountains.

Why wouldn't they try to leverage this?  If they blew snow in the region between the resorts and even added rope tows for the non downhill portions and sold a ticket good at both resorts that would be something that would influence my travel decision for sure. It would be sorta like skiing in The Alps.. well not really but you know.. something kinda fun..

post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Ski back too. It's mostly downhill both ways. Obviously you need a lift ticket for both mountains.

Downhill both ways ? So like if you start at the top ? Any idea on the name of the trails and what to look for to know where to cut in the woods ? The name of the trails on each side. .

Also I think I'll play it safe and drive because my girlfriend would be pissed if I got lost doing this .


And why is 108 closed? Does it snow so much it's not worth plowing ?
post #8 of 19
We used to ski over the top of Spruce a lot. you used to be able to get one ride tickets on the diesel chair at Spruce, and I think the lifties would let you ride back on a Stowe ticket, or maybe Stowe would let you ride on a Smuggs ticket. It was faster and more fun than driving, and there wasn't much chance of getting lost then. IIRC you ski over a pond and toward Watson's cabin,then go left. Does anyone still do that?
Either way, Stowe is still worth the trip.

BK
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by yuik View Post


Downhill both ways ? So like if you start at the top ? Any idea on the name of the trails and what to look for to know where to cut in the woods ? The name of the trails on each side. .

Also I think I'll play it safe and drive because my girlfriend would be pissed if I got lost doing this .


And why is 108 closed? Does it snow so much it's not worth plowing ?

 

108 is only one lane wide in the summer and has a 24% grade at the top. I doubt that they could plow it if they wanted to.

 

To get from Smuggs to Stowe you take the Sterling chairlift and then ski past the bullwheel out onto Sterling Pond. On the other side of the pond (the long way) you pick up the trail to Stowe. From Stowe you take the Sensation lift to the top. Ski or hike past the ski patrol hut passing it to the left after a short distance you'll find a trail called Snuffy's that may or may not still have a sign which will bring you down to the pond. When you hit the pond you'll be able to see the Sterling lift and skier around the edge of the pond. It's fun and if it;s at all do-able there will be tracks that you can follow.

 

As for reciprocity, there used to be a sort of an agreement, but the problem was that the lifts would sometimes go on hold leaving hundreds of people stranded an hour from their destination. Back in the day they even used to groom the path between the resorts (which once led to a groomer going through the pond). I'm sure that if the resorts wanted to, they could make this happen again, but I don't think Stowe wants people skiing their resort which they have spent hundreds of millions to improve on a cheaper Smuggs ticket.

post #10 of 19
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Ski back too. It's mostly downhill both ways. Obviously you need a lift ticket for both mountains.


Smuggs does sell single ride tickets. At least they still did last year. So the Smuggs ticket cost shouldn't be to bad. Word of advice, buy your Stowe ticket on line the day before you plan to go it's $14 cheaper then the walk up window rate ($98 vs. $84). Not sure if you need their RFID card before you purchase but it's a good possibility you do. Been at least 40 years since I've traversed across the top of Spruce. We used to do it from the Stowe side & then buy a day ticket at Smuggs. Back then Stowe used to sell single ride coupon books. Coming from the south It saved the extra hour drive.

post #11 of 19
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Smuggs does sell single ride tickets. At least they still did last year. So the Smuggs ticket cost shouldn't be to bad. Word of advice, buy your Stowe ticket on line the day before you plan to go it's $14 cheaper then the walk up window rate ($98 vs. $84). Not sure if you need their RFID card before you purchase but it's a good possibility you do. Been at least 40 years since I've traversed across the top of Spruce. We used to do it from the Stowe side & then buy a day ticket at Smuggs. Back then Stowe used to sell single ride coupon books. Coming from the south It saved the extra hour drive.

How difficult is the sking along this spruce area ? I kind of really want to do it to say I did i don't want my girlfriend (2nd season) to get hurt doing it .
post #12 of 19

Spruce (on the Stowe side) is mostly pretty intermediate.  The trees and steeps are mostly on Mt Mansfield, which is just a short gondola ride from Spruce.

 

BK

post #13 of 19

Guys, the point is -- can the girlfriend do this?  It's her second season skiing.

Be thoughtful with your responses.  

This guy's thinking of taking her along on this trek from Smuggs to Stowe and back.

He's never ever done the trek. He'll be doing it for the first time.  With girlfriend in tow. 

 

Will they still be a couple at the end of the day?

post #14 of 19

I have never done the trek from Stowe to Smuggs, so I can't comment on the difficulty of it.

 

Skiing off the top of Stowe's Spruce Peak for a second year skier...  There is a really awesome trail off the top of Spruce Peak (Sterling).  Sterling Trail is long, winding blue, fairly gently pitch, nobody ever skis it (i.e., you have it to yourself), and I'm pretty sure they never make snow on it (so it's natural, velvety soft snow for the most part).

 

The issue is getting back to the Spruce Peak base from the top of Spruce Peak.  There are only two ways to do it.  One is you ski Sterling Trail to the bottom and hike uphill for ~100 yards or so.  The other is you ski Main Street (another groomed blue off the top of Spruce Peak).  Main Street is -- by far -- the steepest blue trail I've ever seen, anywhere.  I've seen a LOT of people practically on the verge of tears atop the Main Street headwall.

 

I think there's a third way back, but it's only open if the race course isn't in use, and it's invariably in use.

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

Guys, the point is -- can the girlfriend do this?  It's her second season skiing.

Be thoughtful with your responses.  

This guy's thinking of taking her along on this trek from Smuggs to Stowe and back.

He's never ever done the trek. He'll be doing it for the first time.  With girlfriend in tow. 

 

Will they still be a couple at the end of the day?


Depends on who's driving.:) 

 

 

As mentioned Sterling trail is the most gentle. Problem is it doesn't have snowmaking (already mentioned). If the natural snow is dicey conditions on the trail will also be dicey, Plus the fact the trail is rarely groomed. I wouldn't count on it but as mentioned when it's good it's a great trail. If you take this trail it's harder to get over to Little Spruce. At the summit, on the other side of Big Spruce chair is a trail called Upper Smugglers (how ironic). This is the main thouroughfare off the quad. It's groomed daily & has plenty of snowmaking. The trail is rated expert on the map but it's a upper intermediate trail at best. No need to take lower Mainstreet (the more difficult trail) to get to Little Spruce to catch the Over Easy Gondola over to Mansfield or make a few runs on Little Spruce.

 

Not sure if your GF will like the hike across from ski area to ski area. It's not difficult but it is a hike. Scenery is beautiful though if she appreciates that kind of thing.

 

Checked out the Smuggs website & they are offering single ride tickets again this year for $14.


Edited by steamboat1 - 11/26/13 at 4:31pm
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

Guys, the point is -- can the girlfriend do this?  It's her second season skiing.

Be thoughtful with your responses.  

This guy's thinking of taking her along on this trek from Smuggs to Stowe and back.

He's never ever done the trek. He'll be doing it for the first time.  With girlfriend in tow. 

 

Will they still be a couple at the end of the day?

 

I think trying to do this is a huge mistake. Hiking up there I've gotten kind of confused. Of course I'm old and get addled easily. Completely different for experienced skiers who know where they are going than for someone who doesn't know where he is going trying to lead a 2nd year skier. And there is the lift ticket issue. And the sensation quad doesn't go to the top like the old big pig did. My advice is that if you want to ski Stowe, bite the bullet, drive to Stowe, and buy a ticket.

post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
 

 

. It's mostly downhill both ways.

 

That's odd.  My folks told me they went to school in Brooklyn.

post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

Guys, the point is -- can the girlfriend do this?  It's her second season skiing.

Be thoughtful with your responses.  

This guy's thinking of taking her along on this trek from Smuggs to Stowe and back.

He's never ever done the trek. He'll be doing it for the first time.  With girlfriend in tow. 

 

Will they still be a couple at the end of the day?

 

I think there are some adventurous 2nd year skiers that would love it. There are others that would never speak to him again. I'm not sure how any of us could know which one she is.

post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post

Guys, the point is -- can the girlfriend do this?  It's her second season skiing.
Be thoughtful with your responses.  
This guy's thinking of taking her along on this trek from Smuggs to Stowe and back.
He's never ever done the trek. He'll be doing it for the first time.  With girlfriend in tow. 

Will they still be a couple at the end of the day?


Yeah you know what I think I'll drive . I pushed her a lot last season but on questionable things I always skied them first and then would say lets go you can do it . Without being able to do that I think it might be a better idea to drive .

If she could drive stick it would be perfect because then I could drive to Stowe and have her drive back to smugglers while I give it a shot.
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I think there are some adventurous 2nd year skiers that would love it. There are others that would never speak to him again. I'm not sure how any of us could know which one she is.

Yeah she is a warrior and impressed me a lot last year (she had about 14 days on the mountain and towards the end she was able to do anything groomed at whiteface killington and Stowe ). Honestly I'm just afraid of conditions and even worse screwing up getting lost and having a long hike.

I don't mind doing that when I'm with my snowboarder friends because it's funny to see them hike or end up in the flats (they wanted to kill themselves on the juggernaut @ killington)
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