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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hi all, 

 

I see a number of posts about the 90, but see very few posts that cover the K2 Amp Rictor 82xti.  My dad is thinking about getting them and has no interest or desire in demoing.  We haven't seen much written about them other than in some magazines, but it seems like the right kind of ski for him.  Are there reviews out there that I am missing.  Any feedback from anyone on the board?  Any feedback on the integrated binding or flat options?  Flat would be much less expensive. 

 

For some perspective, he is in his late 60's, 5' 9", 180 pounds; skis no more than ten days a year mostly with little kids (i.e, slow); takes a bump run or two a day; will ski a run or two in the lightly chopped and the not too deep powder; doesn't mind an open bowl with windswept, but won't be there when it is deep or super chopped; will ski the trees when there isn't much snow; has an older technique where he tends to sit back a bit and push, though is moving to being more centered and moving down the hill; and skis mainly at small hills in the east, with a few days here and there out west.  

 

If someone wants to throw out other options for this situation that would be great.  We were mainly trying to figure out why there seems to be so little written about the K2, given that it seems like a decent ski for someone in the east.

 

Smiles

post #2 of 17

A modern day Recon, same ski only better in every aspect. From what you are saying about your dad's needs, wants and desires, a more than fine choice for him. Buy in confidence. 

post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks Phil!  I was thinking a 170.  Any thoughts on that?

post #4 of 17

if i were in your boat, I would think about getting last years rictor or the year before's; save a bunch of money and buy him lift tickets with that.

 

My friend has a pair of 2012 rictors (the green ones) and one thing I do note is they are relatively heavy, but worked fine for him and plow through everything.

 

The new ones might have reduced weight.

post #5 of 17

i have last years rictor's (ugly orange/green ones that look like some on acid decided on graphics). i ski primarily in MN, but used them out west as well. i have used them in the downhill skating rinks of MN/WI and 6-12in of fresh snow out west and they are great all around fun ski, but agree w/ raytseng (friends) assessment of being on the heavy side which is noticeable when on the lift. I purchased them w/o demo'ing since we have limited availability to demo ski's in MN. I was b/w k2 and rtm84 and through reviews and discussions here decided on the k2 and have no regrets. that said demoing a ski is always a good thing. 

post #6 of 17

edit: deleted duplicate post

post #7 of 17

New binding system on this years Rictors that 1. Reduce weight and B. Is more efficient in connecting the boot to the ski. Worth the extra bit of money. Yeah, the 170 will be fine for him. 

post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks guys.  It seems like the ski has been updated for this year and I am told it is in fact lighter, so I think we are going to go for the new ones in a 170.  Thanks.

 

Smiles.

post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

New binding system on this years Rictors that 1. Reduce weight and B. Is more efficient in connecting the boot to the ski. Worth the extra bit of money. Yeah, the 170 will be fine for him. 

Replied before this popped up.  Thanks very much. 

post #10 of 17

You can't go wrong with the 170cm. This will be a great ski for all around skiing, imho a true all mtn. ski for east coast specifically.

post #11 of 17

I don't post a lot, only when I see something where I think I can add some value.  If you, or your dad, have the opportunity to demo other skis in this genre/niche/category, I would do so.  Nordica's Fire Arrow 84 comes to mind as does Rossi's Experience 83, Elan's Amphibio 82 xti, Atomic Nomad Blackeye Ti, etc.  I'm an east coast shop manager and have the opportunity to ride almost everything that comes out through various demos (EWSRA and SIA on-snow demos).  Much can be said about personal preference and skiing style when it comes to ski choice (and in the end these should be the deciding factors), but in the past 3 years, we've seen the quality and ride-ability of K2 diminish to the point that we quit carrying them in our shops.  While the Rictor from past model years was a GREAT hit for us, our experience at last season's demo (testing the 13-14 model year equipment) saw that ski, and several other skis throughout their line, lacking in comparison with similarly constructed/priced skis from other manufacturers.   The single biggest gripe about the ski was that it seemed to waiver just before and after the apex of the turn.   Several conversations with other shop owners/managers at the demos seemed to echo our opinion.  

 

I actually had our K2 rep tell my shop people during a clinic last season that "...K2 is basically just a marketing company that happens to make skis".  That just didn't sit well with us, and the subsequent experience at the demos sort of sealed the deal.  All that being said, don't limit yourself to a single ski.  If you haven't yet, go and try to demo some other models (I know this is hard on the east coast with the late start we get). Again, ALL of this is personal opinion and experience and no two people ride a ski exactly alike.  If the Rictor is still right for you, by all means wear it out.  

post #12 of 17

I'd like to revisit the topic of integrated vs flat bindings. I demoed and really like these skis about a month ago. Now I am considering making a purchase at an end of season sale. My favorite local shop has them in stock, but only the flat version.

 

Is it worth hunting around to find them with the integrated binding? It's my understanding that integrated bindings give superior performance on hard groomers, largely because of increased flex underfoot and the higher mounting height. Am I totally off base? Are there other options that would allow me to replicate these benefits on a flat ski?

post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by Gibmon323 View Post
 

I don't post a lot, only when I see something where I think I can add some value.  If you, or your dad, have the opportunity to demo other skis in this genre/niche/category, I would do so.  Nordica's Fire Arrow 84 comes to mind as does Rossi's Experience 83, Elan's Amphibio 82 xti, Atomic Nomad Blackeye Ti, etc.  I'm an east coast shop manager and have the opportunity to ride almost everything that comes out through various demos (EWSRA and SIA on-snow demos).  Much can be said about personal preference and skiing style when it comes to ski choice (and in the end these should be the deciding factors), but in the past 3 years, we've seen the quality and ride-ability of K2 diminish to the point that we quit carrying them in our shops.  While the Rictor from past model years was a GREAT hit for us, our experience at last season's demo (testing the 13-14 model year equipment) saw that ski, and several other skis throughout their line, lacking in comparison with similarly constructed/priced skis from other manufacturers.   The single biggest gripe about the ski was that it seemed to waiver just before and after the apex of the turn.   Several conversations with other shop owners/managers at the demos seemed to echo our opinion.

 

I actually had our K2 rep tell my shop people during a clinic last season that "...K2 is basically just a marketing company that happens to make skis".  That just didn't sit well with us, and the subsequent experience at the demos sort of sealed the deal.  All that being said, don't limit yourself to a single ski.  If you haven't yet, go and try to demo some other models (I know this is hard on the east coast with the late start we get). Again, ALL of this is personal opinion and experience and no two people ride a ski exactly alike.  If the Rictor is still right for you, by all means wear it out.

Sir, that is the first negative press I have read regarding K2 and their new line up for this year, especially the Rictor. I have never owned a pair, but do look forward to doing so, based upon the overwhelming positive comments from current K2 owners. When you indicate that they lack in comparison with similarly  constructed/priced skis from other manufacturers, I am curious to know what you were comparing. One item that cannot be quantified, but at which K2 seems to excel, is fun. My buddy has always skied a K2, and he always talks about how they are easy and fun to ski.

post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Gibmon323 View Post
 

I don't post a lot, only when I see something where I think I can add some value.  If you, or your dad, have the opportunity to demo other skis in this genre/niche/category, I would do so.  Nordica's Fire Arrow 84 comes to mind as does Rossi's Experience 83, Elan's Amphibio 82 xti, Atomic Nomad Blackeye Ti, etc.  I'm an east coast shop manager and have the opportunity to ride almost everything that comes out through various demos (EWSRA and SIA on-snow demos).  Much can be said about personal preference and skiing style when it comes to ski choice (and in the end these should be the deciding factors), but in the past 3 years, we've seen the quality and ride-ability of K2 diminish to the point that we quit carrying them in our shops.  While the Rictor from past model years was a GREAT hit for us, our experience at last season's demo (testing the 13-14 model year equipment) saw that ski, and several other skis throughout their line, lacking in comparison with similarly constructed/priced skis from other manufacturers.   The single biggest gripe about the ski was that it seemed to waiver just before and after the apex of the turn.   Several conversations with other shop owners/managers at the demos seemed to echo our opinion.  

 

I actually had our K2 rep tell my shop people during a clinic last season that "...K2 is basically just a marketing company that happens to make skis".  That just didn't sit well with us, and the subsequent experience at the demos sort of sealed the deal.  All that being said, don't limit yourself to a single ski.  If you haven't yet, go and try to demo some other models (I know this is hard on the east coast with the late start we get). Again, ALL of this is personal opinion and experience and no two people ride a ski exactly alike.  If the Rictor is still right for you, by all means wear it out.  


since you no longer sell the K2 ski brand, you should refrain from posting such ludicrous crap. you are not qualified to comment. and your recollection of what an unnamed K2 rep said with quotation marks around it, which you must think that makes it true, is not consistent with what the company mission statement is. explain their successful entry into the performance boot market using that same quote to describe their motivation.:bs:

 

if you were on the stand in a court of law, even a bad attorney would have a blast discrediting you as a witness. does your boss know that this is some of the logic that you are using to spend his money on inventory in his shop? what would donald trump do?

 

in your business is it required policy when a customer comes into your shop and has a ski model picked out and is ready to slap plastic on the counter to buy, you must first explain that there are much better skis out there and we could not possibly sell you the ski you are asking for, until we tell you first about all the other ones in that category? in fact we think that you should demo 3 or 4 of them first before we can sell any of them to you! too bad the season ended before you had a chance to purchase one, well that's ok we will get you to buy next season.

 

what is this the forest gump school of retail? are you stupid or something? my momma always said, stupid is as stupid does.:eek

 

jim

post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post
 


since you no longer sell the K2 ski brand, you should refrain from posting such ludicrous crap. you are not qualified to comment. and your recollection of what an unnamed K2 rep said with quotation marks around it, which you must think that makes it true, is not consistent with what the company mission statement is. explain their successful entry into the performance boot market using that same quote to describe their motivation.:bs:

 

if you were on the stand in a court of law, even a bad attorney would have a blast discrediting you as a witness. does your boss know that this is some of the logic that you are using to spend his money on inventory in his shop? what would donald trump do?

 

in your business is it required policy when a customer comes into your shop and has a ski model picked out and is ready to slap plastic on the counter to buy, you must first explain that there are much better skis out there and we could not possibly sell you the ski you are asking for, until we tell you first about all the other ones in that category? in fact we think that you should demo 3 or 4 of them first before we can sell any of them to you! too bad the season ended before you had a chance to purchase one, well that's ok we will get you to buy next season.

 

what is this the forest gump school of retail? are you stupid or something? my momma always said, stupid is as stupid does.:eek

 

jim

Wow, somebody's a little butt hurt.  It's obviously not the school of grammar and punctuation, but I digress.   The quote is, just about, verbatim from the rep and I didn't list his name out of courtesy... to him, as it was close to being the single most unprofessional thing I've heard out of a rep's mouth during what should have been a professional situation. The decision not to carry the brand was a mutual one between myself and the owner of the store, so that assumption is negated. Not that it's any business of yours, but I'll entertain you for a few minutes anyway... I actually (although very briefly) argued against the non-order of K2 because of the name recognition and ease of sales.  The owner has this pesky thing though, where he likes to stand behind what we sell so I had to give in.  Who can argue with 35 years in the business and the success of multiple shops? I guess you can and that's your choice. 

 

What was written was an opinion and an account of what transpired within our shop and the circle of shops we deal with.  If you have other experiences...by all means knock yourself out bloviating about what a great manufacturer K2 is.  If you enjoy them and they sell for you, I'm happy for your continued success with them.  We had bad experiences with some of the line and with the reps and that was our choice.  The owner actually served as the catalyst in the decision to not carry them anymore.  Just a small aside...our ski sales over the past 2 years, sans K2, have increased about 23%.   As for qualifications and questioning mine...such a personal attack and you don't even know me...but isn't that the nice thing about diarrhea of the mouth (or fingers in this case) on the internet?   As for momma, perhaps if she cared more about your schoolin' (kind of like Forrest's) then you wouldn't be so quick to launch ridiculously unfounded personal attacks on internet threads and you'd be able to properly form a sentence and its structure.   Sorry your feelings got hurt because we don't like K2 anymore.

post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by lateskier2012 View Post
 

Sir, that is the first negative press I have read regarding K2 and their new line up for this year, especially the Rictor. I have never owned a pair, but do look forward to doing so, based upon the overwhelming positive comments from current K2 owners. When you indicate that they lack in comparison with similarly  constructed/priced skis from other manufacturers, I am curious to know what you were comparing. One item that cannot be quantified, but at which K2 seems to excel, is fun. My buddy has always skied a K2, and he always talks about how they are easy and fun to ski.

I couldn't agree more with the fact that K2 sells fun...they're a fun company, but as I wrote to Captain Hateful Pants above, we had bad experiences. The line, in general, performed poorly during that demo season, not all of them, but many of them.  Coupled with the issues with the reps, the decision was made to move on.  As mentioned in the post, there are several comparable skis to the Rictor and I listed those that we liked in comparison to the K2.  We were, and are, very successful with the Firearrow line, especially the EDT.  We also had pretty decent success with Elan's 82 XTi, although that's an enigma for us because Elan isn't one of the more "out there" brands.  The Rossi Experience 83 was ok, but even I'll admit that it isn't the hard charger that the Rictor is, but it's not a bad ski.  K2 has historically always gotten rather great press, especially when they were still making skis in the U.S.  Much of that great vibe has stuck around but the move to Asia for manufacturing was a sticking point with a couple of customers, but not enough to sway whether we carried them or not.  

 

In the end, my post (and I find it ludicrous that I have to defend an opinion) was a suggestion to the OP to not rely on the words of others when buying a ski and to demo anything and everything he can. Reviews are great, but until the buyer actually gets on the ski, he or she won't know how it rides.  If the ski works for you and you're excited about it and it makes you ski more, that's awesome and that's the important thing. More people on the mountains means more skier days, which means the proliferation of our sport...no matter what you have on your feet.  

post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by bliz1978 View Post
 

I'd like to revisit the topic of integrated vs flat bindings. I demoed and really like these skis about a month ago. Now I am considering making a purchase at an end of season sale. My favorite local shop has them in stock, but only the flat version.

 

Is it worth hunting around to find them with the integrated binding? It's my understanding that integrated bindings give superior performance on hard groomers, largely because of increased flex underfoot and the higher mounting height. Am I totally off base? Are there other options that would allow me to replicate these benefits on a flat ski?

 

In general, the flat versions of the various K2 skis have seemed to me to be somewhat softer underfoot than the integrated versions. I admit that I don't see flat ones very often and this may have changed recently, however, I doubt that it has. I think the reason is that there is probably more glass in the mid section of the ski in order to reinforce that area where the binding rails reside. In my limited experience in head to head testing of flat vs system K2's, the system skis do perform better on firm snow. There may be other reasons but my suspicion is that is because they are stiffer underfoot, not softer.

 

SJ

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