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post #301 of 325
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Originally Posted by midwestfabs View Post

Question for the avid night skiers. I have not had an opportunity to ski at night due to scheduling and life in general getting in the way, but would like to give a shot this season. Actually only time i have seen the lights go on was few weeks ago when it was really foggy and afton flipped the switch like at 3p

For goggles do one needs clear lens or wing it w/o goggles? If not clear what is best option for lens selection?

Thanks


Clear is best, Yellow or Hi-Yellow for that matter would be 2nd best.

 

If you are used to wearing goggles, I wouldn't recommend starting to ski at night without.

post #302 of 325
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fabs I can't believe you've never night skied before! IMO it's about the coolest thing about skiing in the midwest. If you're having a great ski day you can just keep going on into the night.

I recommend clear although I'm just using my regular day goggles at night with no issues. They aren't that heavily tinter however. I'm looking into a 'Sensor Blue' lense which would be good on overcast days and work well at night also (due to the yellow in it)

Afton has better lighting than Welch for night skiing by far. Welch's lighting isn't really 'bad' overall, but just not as good as Afton.
post #303 of 325

One thing to note about night skiing is that the hills are beat on all day so conditions at night can be rather icy, so make sure your edges are tuned up.  Actually, if you have been skiing at all this season, you would have already been dealing with this. 

post #304 of 325

I wear my clear goggles at night so I can, so I can watch where I weave and ski my lines.

post #305 of 325
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Originally Posted by flatcountry View Post

One thing to note about night skiing is that the hills are beat on all day so conditions at night can be rather icy, so make sure your edges are tuned up.  Actually, if you have been skiing at all this season, you would have already been dealing with this. 


 



Good point. Night skiing is almost alway not busy at all though. It's amazing to go out and have an entire section of the resort all to yourself.

Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights have the worst conditions. A random Tuesday or Wednesday night will have better conditions as they have way less skiers during the day.
post #306 of 325
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Originally Posted by flatcountry View Post
 

One thing to note about night skiing is that the hills are beat on all day so conditions at night can be rather icy, so make sure your edges are tuned up.  Actually, if you have been skiing at all this season, you would have already been dealing with this. 

 



Good point. Night skiing is almost alway not busy at all though. It's amazing to go out and have an entire section of the resort all to yourself.

Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights have the worst conditions. A random Tuesday or Wednesday night will have better conditions as they have way less skiers during the day.

 

The more you ski the bad conditions, the better a skier you will become.

post #307 of 325
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Originally Posted by BaconMeCrazy View Post

I wear my clear goggles at night so I can, so I can watch where I weave and ski my lines.


 



Don't mess around with a guy with clear goggles on! You can believe me...
post #308 of 325
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Originally Posted by focker View Post

fabs I can't believe you've never night skied before! IMO it's about the coolest thing about skiing in the midwest. If you're having a great ski day you can just keep going on into the night.

I recommend clear although I'm just using my regular day goggles at night with no issues. They aren't that heavily tinter however. I'm looking into a 'Sensor Blue' lense which would be good on overcast days and work well at night also (due to the yellow in it)

Afton has better lighting than Welch for night skiing by far. Welch's lighting isn't really 'bad' overall, but just not as good as Afton.

I know crazy, but something always seems to get in the way unfortunately. Thanks all for the advice might have to buy some clear lens to give me a valid excuse to go and ski some nights.
post #309 of 325
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Amazing weekend of corn harvesting at Welch... Unfortunately the wife doesn't have much experience skiing corn and took a pretty nasty fall at the bottom of Dan's Dive yesterday. Our ski day ended after 5 runs. Luckily she wasn't hurt, but definitely bruised her ego in the fall. Didn't help that the whole lift line for the Madd Jaxx lift did the whole 'Ohhhhhhhhhh!' thing when she fell.

I was having a blast playing on the many piles of corn snow that were laying on the slopes, but for a less experienced skier those conditions were likely pretty tough yesterday.
Edited by focker - 1/19/15 at 8:40am
post #310 of 325
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Amazing weekend of corn harvesting at Welch... Unfortunately the wife doesn't have much experience skiing corn and took a pretty nasty fall at the bottom of Dan's Dive yesterday. Our ski day ended after 5 runs. Luckily she wasn't hurt, but definitely bruised her ego in the fall. Didn't help that the whole lift line for the Madd Jaxx lift the whole 'Ohhhhhhhhhh!' thing when she fell.

I was having a blast playing on the many piles of corn snow that were laying on the slopes, but for a less experienced skier those conditions were likely pretty tough yesterday.

Glad to hear she is ok. Skied Thursday evening and Sunday and the conditions were a blast. Great to see the sun yesterday and wish the day had never ended. 

post #311 of 325

We just booked our annual west side family ski vacation and since there have been several discussion comparing cost to lutes in the past, wanted to post the cost we incurred in comparison to booking a similar trip, same number of days, and same dates b/w breck/keyston/vail vs lutsen.

 

As I have posted in the past our Colorado home mountain is Breck and we stay in Frisco for myriad of reason. We usually take our annual ski vacation during spring break in march, but since life and that pesky work thing got in the way this year we scrambled this past weekend and were able to squeeze a trip in February.

 

Some trip specifics and needs:

  • Family of four
  • 7 passenger SUV
  • lodging w/ full kitchen.
  • Several days of ski school for the kids so parental units can romantically ski on there own.
  • Length of the trip is for 11 days. 2 days travel, 9 nights, total of 8 days of skiing. We booked everything this weekend, so prices were tad higher than in the past since we usually start booking our trips around now for march dates.

 

I based the cost estimates for lutsen using similar needs as close as could be done given the online options.

 

Cost breakdown:

 

Few assumptions: since we buy groceries when going out west, we would do the same if we went to lutsen hence the need of a full kitchen.  We eat breakfast and most dinners at home with lunch depending on how vacation lazy we are in the am's. So cost of food is a wash. Cost of gas I also didn’t consider since the amount of car travel time between the two seems to be about same, also a wash in my calculations. These amounts do not take into account sharing cost of anything w/ other families, which i know could be huge regardless of where one goes to ski. Finally, cost of wine and beer needless to say is also a wash. The same amount of gin will be consumed regardless of local, though Leopold's Gin is mighty tasty, hard to resist, and ups the ante for a CO trip vs Lutsen trip.

 

The $ amounts are rounded to the nearest whole number and for CO portion numbers are not quotes, but what has been spent already.

 

Breck/Keystone/Vail:

(our plan is to ski 4 days at Breck, 3 at Keystone, 1 at Vail)

 

Airfare: $1000 (no baggage fees since flying southwest). We could have used miles/points, but baggage fees on other airlines would have been negated use of miles and cost per miles calculations. we decided to save our points/miles for an adult only trip in the future. 

Car Rental:  $1250 for a 7 passenger SUV (Acadia or similar per rental site), unlimited miles, taxes, etc.

Lodging: case of wine plus a nice bottle of whiskey ~$250.

  • Since we don’t pay for lodging per say I did a basic Frisco search on VRBO for the dates we were going, 2 bedroom minimum, full kitchen and the avg rate was ~$250/night which comes to about ~$2250. Some of the units listed I recognize the outside of the buildings and surroundings.

Lift Tickets: Have Epic Local Pass. $0 (with our visits to Afton this year already the cost of the pass has paid for itself already if compared to daily cost of pass for non season pass holders.)

Ski Classes: 3 days at Breck, 1 at Keysone full day w/ lunch $1500. Classes are full day. Very expensive regardless of the size of any families wallet, but worth every penny both for the kids and the parental units.

 

Lutsen:

 

Airfare: $0

Car Rental: $0

Lodging: Online you could only get a quote for 7 nights, so I just divided total cost of 7 a night quote and figured a per day rate for rooms that had full kitchen.  Rates quoted was for 4 guest, cheapest was ~$250/night and looked like you would not want your pets to stay at, most expensive was ~$550/night very nice looking. There were several places that looked above average so I took the middle road and used $400/night, so for 9 nights it comes out to about $3600.

Lift Tickets: Discount available at Lutsen where kids ski free.  Same 7/9 day scenario for pricing as loding. 2 Adults skiing for 9 days $1300.

Ski Classes: $600.

 

Total Costs:

Breck/Keystone/Vail:

  • $4000 if we stay with our nice and thirsty friends.
  • $6250 if our nice friends kick us out and we have to rent through VBRO

 

Lutsen:

  • $5500

 

We are fortunate to have friends that greet us kindly and w/ empty glasses. Everyone's needs, wants, and budgets are different. These number are just a small sample of the many options people have. In the past we have always shopped early and been able to save $ on car, air, etc. I know that bargain lift ticket shopping is a no brainer for resorts outside of the vail, inc world, but that isn’t an issue in our case. 

 

For those with a Welch pass having the reciprocal agreements with Big Sky and Grand Targhee or Buck Hill Pass holders w/ reciprocal agreements with Winter Park,  I’m sure that for the ~$5000 that it could cost to ski in lutsen for a trip this long, one can ski at a lot of places out west or out east for the same amount of money give or take some $ depending how frugal one is, persistent in finding best deals for travel, lift tickets, transportation, etc. I'm also sure if having friends w/ a place once can crash is not an option, sharing the cost of lodging, transportation, etc. makes planning or at least looking into planning a trip out west/east worth while over lutsen.

 

Hope this helps. Looking forward to the great snow in summit county for sure given our blah snow year so far.

post #312 of 325
Trollhaugen is open until 3 am on Fridays.

http://www.trollhaugen.com
post #313 of 325
I skied the Troll last night. $15 bucks for the night pass. Rode a rope tow for the first time since I was a kid. Skied until 2:00 am. Watched a dude puke off the balcony of the bar while people took selfies with him. Got hit by a drunk boarder while waiting in the lift line. Interesting night. Bring your pads and keep your head on a swivel. It was a battlefield.
post #314 of 325
For those thinking or dreaming about going to steamboat before the snow melts, recieved this link advertising nonstop flghts from minneapolis + extra disounts.

Delta/Steamboat
Edited by midwestfabs - 1/27/15 at 3:35pm
post #315 of 325
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$389 per person to Steamboat seems like a pretty nice price... I found some for $320 a few years ago... Never pulled the trigger though...
post #316 of 325

I guess I didn't know you could fly directly to Steamboat.  Thanks for the link.

post #317 of 325
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Yeah I think when I looked in the past it included a layover in Denver... I'd likely drive to steamboat if going there though since it's not much further than Denver and tickets aren't really all that cheap, especially when compared to just flying to Denver.
post #318 of 325

Having flown from the Twin Cities to Steamboat many times, here's my take.  Before about the third week of December each year, one must connect through Denver.  About the third week of December each year, the direct flights start running into the Hayden airport which is the "major" airport serving Steamboat.  The direct flights will run into mid to late March each season.  From the Hayden airport, it's about a forty minute shuttle ride to the town of Steamboat Springs and the resort.  Think rental cars are expensive in Denver ?  Wait till you price them out of Hayden.  That said, a rental car is not really required in Steamboat as free shuttles and the free city bus make getting around pretty easy.

 

Delta and formerly Northwest used to run Airbus sized aircraft into Hayden and now predominantly use the Embraer 175 which unfortunately holds noticeably less people and getting your boot bag in the overhead of the Embraer is a bitch.  Airfares on the direct flights like any other airfare can be all over the board based on available seats.  I'm going out there next Thursday and chose to fly into Denver and take a shuttle ride up to Steamboat.  The direct airfares were over 1K and I've gotten tired of the missed/cancelled connecting flights that United runs from Denver to Hayden.

post #319 of 325
About 7 years ago when northwest was still around, we went to steamboat and had a direct flight but due to weather ended up in denver and rented a car. Once the merger was complete i remeber looking at flights again and they were very scarce at best w/ delta. Seems like in the last couple of years they have slowly added more direct flights. Regardless of the size of plane, time when you fly, # of flights, etc. pricey to say the least. But the same thing can be said for the nonstop flights to aspen, bozeman, etc.

I find it to be a crap shoot in those small montain airport given weather, winter or summer. Also, seems when doing ski trips that involve hopping on a plane anything in the $300 range per person is the norm and somtimes a steal. For our upcoming trip to breck frontier was the cheapest and it was in the range of $200/person, but i think they have a 'if you fog a mirror at the gate test' its a $25 fee to get on the plane among other crazy fees. Got to love travel by air now days.
post #320 of 325

There is one direct daily from Minneapolis to Steamboat.  It leaves here just before lunch, drops a load of people off in Hayden, picks up a load of people and comes back to Minneapolis.  That's it.  I've been on the flights a few times when it gets diverted due to weather but usually if you leave here, you're going to get there.

post #321 of 325
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Originally Posted by focker View Post

Yeah I think when I looked in the past it included a layover in Denver... I'd likely drive to steamboat if going there though since it's not much further than Denver and tickets aren't really all that cheap, especially when compared to just flying to Denver.


I agree, I can fly into Denver for around $200/person with 3 weeks advance purchase almost all the time.  Taking my 4th trip to Colorado this season on next week for the FIS World Championships!

 

$203.12 with taxes and everything.

post #322 of 325
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...I've been on the flights a few times when it gets diverted due to weather but usually if you leave here, you're going to get there.

Those pilots that fly into those mountain airports can thread the needle pretty good if they have to. Last year going into aspen after the 3rd and final try and many 'get ready folks, its going to be close' over the pa system we landed. Some guy next to us it was his third plane of the day trying to get into aspen. Soon after we landed about 5 planes came on right behind us one after another.
post #323 of 325
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Those pilots that fly into those mountain airports can thread the needle pretty good if they have to. Last year going into aspen after the 3rd and final try and many 'get ready folks, its going to be close' over the pa system we landed. Some guy next to us it was his third plane of the day trying to get into aspen. Soon after we landed about 5 planes came on right behind us one after another.


If you think Steamboat is scary, try Eagle/Vail, rated the 8th most extreme airport in the world.

 

http://youtu.be/0jjybY3k5oY?t=18m17s

 

This link should start the video at the right spot for Vail.

post #324 of 325
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If you think Steamboat is scary, try Eagle/Vail, rated the 8th most extreme airport in the world.

 

http://youtu.be/0jjybY3k5oY?t=18m17s

 

This link should start the video at the right spot for Vail.

 

I've always liked the departure from Eagle/Vail, the primary departure path calls for a hard left turn shortly after takeoff which always catches the attention of passengers new to the route.

post #325 of 325
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I've always liked the departure from Eagle/Vail, the primary departure path calls for a hard left turn shortly after takeoff which always catches the attention of passengers new to the route.


Yeah, that take off can catch you off guard, it's been at least a dozen years since I flew out of Eagle/Vail now, as the pricing and lack of direct flights to where I needed to go mad DEN the better choice when I lived there.  It's too bad you have to fly to Atlanta or Chicago to get to Eagle/Vail from MSP these days, the price difference will cover the rental car from DEN anyway.

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