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Best VT, NY, NH, Groomers

post #1 of 21
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What mountain is known for its grooming? it came up in discussion and no one knew #$%@ about it. lets hear your opinions.  NY NH VT or any other NE mtn

post #2 of 21
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post #3 of 21

Vermont--- Okemo 

NY -- Gore 

post #4 of 21

Grooming or groomers?  Depends what you mean.  When I think of groomers, terrain matters as at least as much as the quality of grooming.

 

Grooming:

VT - Okemo

NH - Bretton Woods

 

Groomers:

VT - Stowe

NH - Waterville Valley

 

Leaving NY out because I haven't skied there since college.

 

I'd probably be sitting in the bar after a run or two at Bretton Woods, but at Waterville Valley, I could be happy lapping Upper Sels Choice to WC Slalom Hill for the better part of a morning.  I could make a similar analogy with Okemo vs. Stowe.

 

Waterville Valley does not often get mentioned around here, but it's a great option for groomers when there's not a lot of soft snow to chase.  Attitash, Wildcat, and Cannon are also great options.

post #5 of 21

I think the mountains with the most interesting groomed terrain are:

  • NH:  Cannon.  A lot of the mountain is groomed (basically all of it...), and it's steep enough to be interesting with interesting fall-lines.  Skiing Upper Cannon and turning only where the trail turns is awesome.  Doing tram laps will get your legs burning (2000+ vertical with no real flat spots).
  • VT : Okemo is known for its cruisers; the knock on them is that they all ski the same, but if you're looking for miles and miles of groomed terrain, it would be hard to beat.  Stowe isn't necessarily known for it's cruisers, but they have some awesome, very, very long ones, especially the ones serviced by the gondola.
  • NY:  I've only skied Whiteface. 
post #6 of 21

As Hoss asked: grooming vs. groomers?

 

I've skied a bunch of places in NH and VT and I haven't seen any better grooming than at Stratton...but Stratton is horribly boring.

post #7 of 21

That I've been to

 

Groomers - Cannon, Wildcat, Whiteface, Loon

Grooming - Sunapee, Bretton Woods

 

By reputation but have not been to - Okemo, Stratton

post #8 of 21

For groomers, it would be pretty tough to beat the only mountain that's hosted the Olympics (twice).

 

For grooming... don't they all have similar equipment?  I know at Mont Ste Anne, I've seen them groom while the mountain is open.  The locals would follow them around and wait where they'd rope off.  Once the signal was given they'd take that fresh corduroy like no one else's business.  I know it's sacrilegious to say this on these boards, but hitting that fresh stuff at mach speed is just as fun as a fresh powder run (in different ways).

post #9 of 21

For grooming, a lot of the southern VT mountains are excellent.

 

The mountains that pride themselves on grooming: Stratton, Mt Snow, Okemo, Sunappee, Bretton Woods, Waterville Valley, Loon.

 

Of those, Bretton Woods is the only one without overwhelming crowds. Stratton is okay on crowds if you stick to the Sun Bowl side, but that ruins the idea of going for the groomers.

 

I don't know what people are thinking mentioning Cannon and Wildcat. Both offer very "interesting" groomers, but neither groom exceptionally well or offer extensive trail counts. They're great if you want to bang out runs on a few good trails. You'd be better off going to Bretton Woods if you're looking to rip up a bunch of different groomers.

post #10 of 21

Groomers: Cannon and Loon, Whiteface, Stowe, Stratton.  All have LSG's.

post #11 of 21

Everybody values something different.  For me, a few runs with good pitch and fun features such as rollers and interesting fall lines is enough to hold my interest.  Cannon works and I could care less if their grooming is a 7/10 vs. a 9/10.  Much prefer that to a place that has a high trail count but everything's flat and there's minimal terrain variation from one trail to another.  Then again, I used to race so I'm happy skiing the same runs over and over again, working on different things each time.  Not what most people are looking for.


Edited by Hoss - 11/20/13 at 7:55am
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by bliz1978 View Post
 

For grooming, a lot of the southern VT mountains are excellent.

 

The mountains that pride themselves on grooming: Stratton, Mt Snow, Okemo, Sunappee, Bretton Woods, Waterville Valley, Loon.

 

Of those, Bretton Woods is the only one without overwhelming crowds. Stratton is okay on crowds if you stick to the Sun Bowl side, but that ruins the idea of going for the groomers.

 

I don't know what people are thinking mentioning Cannon and Wildcat. Both offer very "interesting" groomers, but neither groom exceptionally well or offer extensive trail counts. They're great if you want to bang out runs on a few good trails. You'd be better off going to Bretton Woods if you're looking to rip up a bunch of different groomers.

 

I used to ski Cannon a lot (had my season's pass there).  Admittedly, they don't have a huge trail count, but the trails they do have ski differently -- i.e., each one is unique in some way, and they all have enough pitch / fall-line variations that you can't really lay down pencil-thin tracks the whole way down without a care.

 

Bretton Woods has a ton of trails, but what they don't have is variety.  My season's pass at Cannon always came with a couple complimentary Bretton Woods tickets.  BW was a nice change of pace, and they undoubtedly recovered better from freeze-thaw cycles.

 

It comes down to horses for courses...  BW offers mellow cruisers where you can just lay into 'em over and over again.  Cannon offers cruisers that keep you on your toes.

post #13 of 21

Killington's grooming has come a long way over the last several years. True they don't groom everything but they have so much terrain that what they do groom on almost a daily basis is equal to more groomed terrain than you'll find at most other mountains.

post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by bliz1978 View Post
 

I don't know what people are thinking mentioning Cannon and Wildcat. Both offer very "interesting" groomers, but neither groom exceptionally well or offer extensive trail counts. They're great if you want to bang out runs on a few good trails. You'd be better off going to Bretton Woods if you're looking to rip up a bunch of different groomers.

 

Depends on the ability level we're talking about.  For advanced skiers on only groomers, I would (and have in the past) gotten bored by mid-day at Bretton Woods.  I can ski a full day of only grooomers at Cannon and Wildcat.  Since that's the majority of the people that post here.  If it's an intermediate, then it's different.

post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by JoeSchmoe View Post
 

 

For grooming... don't they all have similar equipment?

 

Yes, but they use it differently.  You might as well say that all restaurants have the same equipment.

 

Some hills  are basically indifferent about their grooming, just going through the motions, and there are some that really pay attention and do it right.  It makes a big difference.

 

Bretton Woods is in the latter category.  Of the 18 or so places I've skied in the  Northeast I can't think of any other that really stand out. 

I only skied Kmart once and it was in a white-out blizzard so I have no idea about it. 

Tremblant does a nice job, but it's not in VT-NY-NH.

Mt Snow and Bromley were adequate, but not outstanding.

Sunapee was poor, but that may be due to the 90 minutes to get from the parking area to finally being able to ski meant that it was all skied out by the massive crowd before I got to it.

post #16 of 21
I'm in the West and only skied any of those areas maybe once when I lived in the East. But it seems to me that the success of the grooming depends not just on the machinery and the focus of the management, but also on altitude, slope aspect, grade, etc. You can't blame all of the results on management.
post #17 of 21

Okemo, Stratton, and to a lesser extent Mount Snow in VT are all heavy on grooming.  Okemo and Stratton both groom almost everything, save a couple dedicated bump runs.  I like Stratton better, once you get past the development in the base area the mountain has a lot more variety than Okemo, and is quite a bit steeper in places.  Mount Snow is good for intermediate groomers, all of the main face is groomed, but the most of the steeps on the North Face are left ungroomed.

post #18 of 21

i enjoy groomers alot which is why I got a season pass to whiteface. (i enjoy it more than the other options within 5 hours of north NJ).

 

stowe Mount snow, killington, and jay peak arnt as enjoyable in the groomer department imop. however they all have their pros in other areas.

if only sugarloaf ME was closer.

post #19 of 21

I agree with Mike hands down.  Okemo and Gore.   Stratton has generally done a good job of Grooming as well, but the place has become so urban, I don't know if I'm skiing or going to the office.  

post #20 of 21
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I agree with Mike hands down.  Okemo and Gore.   Stratton has generally done a good job of Grooming as well, but the place has become so urban, I don't know if I'm skiing or going to the office.  

What do you mean by urban ? Like a lot of weekend traffic from NYC and CT?
post #21 of 21

No I mean the multi-story parking structure, the shopping mall and the high-rise condos, its like skiing on the Upper East Side.

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