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What skis can you rcommend to an intermediate looking for All-Mountain Skis? [New Zealand]

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Hi guys I will be buying my first pair of skis pre-season..or on opening day, and have arranged with someone to try out the Rossignol Experience 88's and the Line Prophet 90's is there any others I should ask to try out? I believe I should be skiing on a length of up to 177cm Thanks.

 

Daza.

post #2 of 50

My answer to your post is , "yes".* 

 

 

* (Where are you skiing? What type of terrain do you like to ski? What do you aspire to ski? How tall are you? What do you weigh? How many days do you ski per season? Are you planning on taking lessons? Etc.... etc...... before any worth while answer can be given. )

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Thanks. and...Mt Ruapehu (NZ) Whakapapa skifield 50 to 60 % on piste (presently) I aspire to be a great or excellent powder skier I am 180cm tall weigh around 94-95kg I will be skiing 20 days a year no to lessons and have no answer for etc.....? and I have a good sense of humour and enjoy long walks Kidding I take the car. Honestly I ski 100% on piste at the moment but want a ski that will take me anywhere and as I get better progress to mainly off piste. I hope you have some good suggestions thanks.

post #4 of 50

Line Profit 90 or even better, the 98 would be pretty groovy. I don't recommend them for long walks though. I prefer my strolls with the dog.  :)

post #5 of 50
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Do you think the 177cm length is right for my height weight and ability?
post #6 of 50
At your weight (I'm the same), I would consider the 186.
why? The prophets are twins with some rise in tip and tail; you ski in NZ, so no or minimal trees; NZ pow is wet/heavy and often wind affected; the bigger ski will handle the heavy crud better for somebody your size.

Sure they are taller than you but the twins and the rise will mean a relativley short running length.

As well, maybe consider the 98's as suggested by Marko.
Edited by craigr - 11/18/13 at 5:48pm
post #7 of 50

I can't comment on the Line Prophet 90 specifically.  But a friend of mine, who is an athletic intermediate, was on the Prophet Flites, and didn't like them -- he found them difficult to turn, and instead preferred a previous rental (don't know what brand/model) that he described as "carvier."  Consistent with that, I've been on the Prophet 98's and found them a bit ponderous until you got them up to speed -- they really have more of a GS feel.  Now, the Prophet 90's might be an entirely different ski; but, as an intermediate, you want to learn to learn to turn the skis with pressure and angulation, rather than having to muscle them around.  And if the Prophet 90's share the characteristics of the Flite or Prophet 98, they might make the former more of a challenge than you want. 

 

It's great that you're demoing -- it should be readily apparent when you're on the skis whether this is an issue for you.

 

Of course, you've got plenty of time -- your opening day is at least six months from now, right? 

post #8 of 50

Opening day down here will be early June of next year (or so).

 

If you presently spend all of your time on piste, and are just starting to look off piste I would vote for something narrower than either of the Line skis.  Something in the low-to-mid 80s that is oriented towards carving, but with a little bit of early rise in the tip to help plane over the heavier snow we get down here.  You will want something that stays fun on piste and then lets you get off piste without punishing you for trying.  Demoing is the way to go, so try as many of the following as you can find:

 

Volkl Kendo

Head Rev 85

Head Supershape Titan

Rossi Experience 83 or 88 (the 88 is 'more ski' for sure)
Volkl RTM 84 (or the RTM 81)

Elan Amphibio 82Xti

 

Any of the above in high-170s or very low 180s would do the trick.

 

That said, be sure to demo the Prophet 90, just to get a sense of them as well.

 

Best of luck.

post #9 of 50
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Originally Posted by sinbad7 View Post
 

Opening day down here will be early June of next year (or so).

 

If you presently spend all of your time on piste, and are just starting to look off piste I would vote for something narrower than either of the Line skis.  Something in the low-to-mid 80s that is oriented towards carving, but with a little bit of early rise in the tip to help plane over the heavier snow we get down here.  You will want something that stays fun on piste and then lets you get off piste without punishing you for trying.  Demoing is the way to go, so try as many of the following as you can find:

 

Volkl Kendo

Head Rev 85

Head Supershape Titan

Rossi Experience 83 or 88 (the 88 is 'more ski' for sure)
Volkl RTM 84 (or the RTM 81)

Elan Amphibio 82Xti

 

Any of the above in high-170s or very low 180s would do the trick.

 

That said, be sure to demo the Prophet 90, just to get a sense of them as well.

 

Best of luck.

Hi as I said I am currently skiing mainly on piste or predominantly would prefer to be off trail deep in Powder, So something that is from 88 up underfoot so I can get a feel for skiing off piste and maybe demo a soul 7 ski while I'm at it?? Thanks.

post #10 of 50
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Originally Posted by Daza152 View Post
 

Hi as I said I am currently skiing mainly on piste or predominantly would prefer to be off trail deep in Powder, So something that is from 88 up underfoot so I can get a feel for skiing off piste and maybe demo a soul 7 ski while I'm at it?? Thanks.

 

Ah!  Apologies, my mistake.

post #11 of 50
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Hi as I said I am currently skiing mainly on piste or predominantly would prefer to be off trail deep in Powder, So something that is from 88 up underfoot so I can get a feel for skiing off piste and maybe demo a soul 7 ski while I'm at it?? Thanks.

 

6' , 95kegs,  solid unit.  Rugby player?? If so,  above average leg strength.

 

upper intermediate/lower advanced??,   looking for an off piste ski (some on piste capability??)

 

 

Skiing in NZ =  heavy snow, wind affected, freeze/thaw, crud,  open skiing/no trees, big lines

 

 

I stand by my mid 180's/ circa 100mm waist call.  Enjoy the demo process.

post #12 of 50
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Originally Posted by Daza152 View Post

Do you think the 177cm length is right for my height weight and ability?

 

Honestly, I think I'd go for the Profit 98. You've got a skinny ski, correct? Length. It really depends on how fast you ski. If you're a hard charging upper intermediate, fearless, etc... at your size you could ski the 186, but if you are skiing a bit more slowly and trying to work out the technical kinks, or are skiing bumps and tight terrain (trees or not, it doesn't really matter... you've got plenty of rocks I'm guessing)  the 179 could be fine as well. Chemist finds them ' a bit ponderous', but we don't know anything about his size, weight. ability, where he was skiing, etc.... It matters. IMHO, the profit 98 is at the upper end of the 'fun 98' side of things. Something like the Nordica Hell and Back is there as well, then you get into the burly'esque 98's like the Bonafide, Rossi-98, and the Volkl Mantra, pretty much in that order. Ask for a second opinion on length. Maybe Phil will pipe in. If I saw a vid of your skiing, it'd be pretty easy to give better advice. 

post #13 of 50
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Originally Posted by sinbad7 View Post

Ah!  Apologies, my mistake.
no problem I think that was my fault sorry, I am looking for a ski that can be used on both groomers and off piste, maybe leaning towards off trail more so than just skiing the hard pack groomed runs. Thanks.
post #14 of 50
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

 

Honestly, I think I'd go for the Profit 98. You've got a skinny ski, correct? Length. It really depends on how fast you ski. If you're a hard charging upper intermediate, fearless, etc... at your size you could ski the 186, but if you are skiing a bit more slowly and trying to work out the technical kinks, or are skiing bumps and tight terrain (trees or not, it doesn't really matter... you've got plenty of rocks I'm guessing)  the 179 could be fine as well. Chemist finds them ' a bit ponderous', but we don't know anything about his size, weight. ability, where he was skiing, etc.... It matters. IMHO, the profit 98 is at the upper end of the 'fun 98' side of things. Something like the Nordica Hell and Back is there as well, then you get into the burly'esque 98's like the Bonafide, Rossi-98, and the Volkl Mantra, pretty much in that order. Ask for a second opinion on length. Maybe Phil will pipe in. If I saw a vid of your skiing, it'd be pretty easy to give better advice.

I don't have a skinny ski, or any skis for that matter, these will be my first. From what many of you say skiing beautiful deep soft powder doesn't even exist in NZ? and TBH I haven't skied any here but even so would like to experience off piste I guess even if that just means besides the groomers and go anywhere kind of capability hence the All-Mountain ski, I like the sound of the Line Prophet 90's and the 98's try the Rossignol's Soul 7 and also there Experience 88's

post #15 of 50
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Originally Posted by craigr View Post
 

 

6' , 95kegs,  solid unit.  Rugby player?? If so,  above average leg strength.

 

upper intermediate/lower advanced??,   looking for an off piste ski (some on piste capability??)

 

 

Skiing in NZ =  heavy snow, wind affected, freeze/thaw, crud,  open skiing/no trees, big lines

 

 

I stand by my mid 180's/ circa 100mm waist call.  Enjoy the demo process.

I'm about 5'10" to 5'11" and around the 95kgs above average strength in my upper body and lower body legs thighs quads etc.. pretty soft around the middle and average fitness. Skill level is probably upper intermediate I would think. Not a cruiser nor a speed demon, just a constant confident approach definitely not slow either.

post #16 of 50
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 only recently got back into skiing back in August this year, and because it had been a while plus my knowledge of ski gear was nil, I was given as hired skis a length of 151cm, which I felt turned very easy allowing me to do anything and now a little wiser realise they were most definitely the wrong size and should have been on 175cm+ So really looking forward to seeing what I go like on longer skis next season, should be very interesting.

post #17 of 50
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

Chemist finds them ' a bit ponderous', but we don't know anything about his size, weight. ability, where he was skiing, etc....It matters.

Mostly true (one can glean something from my avatar, and my profile does have height and weight) -- and both my intermediate friend and I are much lighter than the OP which, yes, can make a big difference; but note that the same informational limitation currently applies to your recommendations :) !

 

I made a decision not to provide this info. here because I didn't want to make it seem like I was providing an explicit recommendation for the OP about these skis; rather, it was meant as a general caution for the OP to consider when demoing them.  OTOH, since you are taking the time to provide explicit recommendations (and I'm sure the OP appreciates it), I am somewhat puzzled why you didn't follow your own guidance and provide the above info.

 

Also, I've not been on them, but what about the new FX84 or 94 for an intermediate?


Edited by chemist - 11/20/13 at 11:54am
post #18 of 50
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Mostly true (one can glean something from my avatar, and my profile does have height and weight) -- and both my intermediate friend and I are much lighter than the OP which, yes, can make a big difference; but note that the same informational limitation currently applies to your recommendations :) !

 

I made a decision not to provide this info. here because I didn't want to make it seem like I was providing an explicit recommendation for the OP about these skis; rather, it was meant as a general caution for the OP to consider when demoing them.  OTOH, since you are taking the time to provide explicit recommendations (and I'm sure the OP appreciates it), I am somewhat puzzled why you didn't follow your own guidance and provide the above info.

 

 

The use of ' ponderous' without context is confusing because of it's subjectivity. My suggestions were based on his size, weight, stated ability, and 'desired outcome'. My personal preferences aren't germane. I was suggestion skis that would probably work for him, not myself or a friend... unless they happened to share the same skier profile. :)  

post #19 of 50
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Originally Posted by craigr View Post
 

 

6' , 95kegs,  solid unit.  Rugby player?? If so,  above average leg strength.

 

upper intermediate/lower advanced??,   looking for an off piste ski (some on piste capability??)

 

 

Skiing in NZ =  heavy snow, wind affected, freeze/thaw, crud,  open skiing/no trees, big lines

 

 

I stand by my mid 180's/ circa 100mm waist call.  Enjoy the demo process.

 

Agreed.  Was thinking maybe DPS Wailer 99 @ 188.  Also consider Stockli Stormrider 95 @ 183.  My skiing really started to progress when I got my first pair of Stocklis (Stormrider XL) seven years ago.

post #20 of 50
G'Day Taxman,
also distinctly remember demoing a pair of Stockli Stormriders and a pair of Legend 8000's 7/8 years ago. It was my first genre change experience having been caught up in the shorty slalom period when I first started to get serious. Ended up buying a pair of Head Monster 77's which served me well in Canada and OK in Japan. Should have got the 88's but too much of a mind leap for me at the time.

I personally don't get too carried away with specific models when I demo but i do like to try different widths and lengths/genres. From 167cm to 195cm long and 65mm to 141mm wide, they are all fun to ski.

Daz, beware kit overanalysis at this stage. Maybe hunt down a cheaper all mountain ski rather than the latest bit of bling and allocate your savings to some off piste skill development lessons.

check this deal out
http://www.levelninesports.com/Ninthward-B-Murdah-Skis

these guys ship cheap and fast to Oz and NZ. Have used them a few times and have 2 pair of Ninthwards in the cupboard. Quality construction out of the Elan factory. there are quiet a few suitable well priced skis on offer at L9 to suit your purposes.
Edited by craigr - 11/20/13 at 8:14pm
post #21 of 50
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Originally Posted by craigr View Post
 

 

6' , 95kegs,  solid unit.  Rugby player?? If so,  above average leg strength.

 

upper intermediate/lower advanced??,   looking for an off piste ski (some on piste capability??)

 

 

Skiing in NZ =  heavy snow, wind affected, freeze/thaw, crud,  open skiing/no trees, big lines

 

 

I stand by my mid 180's/ circa 100mm waist call.  Enjoy the demo process.

Ok so 186cm and 98 underfoot? ...Line prophet 98's 2014 are looking pretty sweet about now, they are on my to demo list.

post #22 of 50
You could travel the world with a pair of those.
Whats a pair of 2014 Line Prophets going to set you back in kiwi dollars?
post #23 of 50
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You could travel the world with a pair of those.
Whats a pair of 2014 Line Prophets going to set you back in kiwi dollars?

It's $749 new with no bindings. :( I am hoping to score a near new pair of demo skis

post #24 of 50
big bucks. have you got your boots sorted?
post #25 of 50
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big bucks. have you got your boots sorted?

No that's another mine field, I know they say that boots are more important than skis, and rightly so. I am hoping to score me some skis with bindings for around $700 and boots for $400...so wish me luck.

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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

The use of ' ponderous' without context is confusing because of it's subjectivity. My suggestions were based on his size, weight, stated ability, and 'desired outcome'. My personal preferences aren't germane. I was suggestion skis that would probably work for him, not myself or a friend... unless they happened to share the same skier profile. :)  

Ah, understood -- thanks for the explanation.  So what was implicit in your recommendations was that skiers similar to the OP (size, ability, skiing style, goals) had been on these boards and reported to you that they liked them.

post #27 of 50
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http://www.epicski.com/t/113129/buying-line-prophet-98-length  Just been reading this and it would seem the overall opinion on length is that the 179 cm is the go I'm 180 cm and mid to upper intermediate I think (what are these levels I see? like "I'm a level 8 skier") I would like to try both the 179 cm and the 186 cm to make a comparison

post #28 of 50
Daz, get the calculator out mate. 185lbs is 84kgs. Be wary of reviews/equipment advice from people who are smaller than yourself. In that post, re-read Sierra Jims thoughts.

As a groomer intermediate, you will feel very comfortable on the 179. No argument from me. However, as an aspiring skiier of 3D terrain, the 186 is where you should probably be given your size and where you ski.

Do a search for skier levels and settle in for an entertaining read.

Cheers
post #29 of 50
Thread Starter 

Cheers mate. I took a look at skier levels and I think I'm a 6 if I'm honest.:bs: Good tip on the lengths still would prefer to try both though when I hired skis this year I was given 151 cm and being none the wiser  skied on them all weekend, turning was a piece of cake, and now I know why. :rotflmao:

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and 94 kgs is 207 lbs that's me made up of mostly muscle haha.

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