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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
I guess it had to start eventually. Armstrong has accused of Hein Verbruggen of helping cover up Lance's positive test after the 1999 Tour de France. I guess he's decided not to wait for any official inquiries and is going to shoot first, must be a Texan "stand your ground" thing.
post #2 of 18
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

I guess it had to start eventually

 

Err..yup.

post #3 of 18

popcorn please.......  

post #4 of 18

and of course he was he has to say is the truth. Why can't those types ever just disappear. 

post #5 of 18

Can we just assume that everybody connected with professional cycling from ~1990 to ~2010:

  • Helped somebody dope
  • Doped themselves
  • Was involved in hiding evidence of doping
  • All of the above

 

?

post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post
 

Can we just assume that everybody connected with professional cycling from ~1990 to ~2010:

  • Helped somebody dope
  • Doped themselves
  • Was involved in hiding evidence of doping
  • All of the above

 

?

 

We already have done all these things.   It's not about us now.   

 

 

It's about face.   You know, kinda like at the lockers in junior high. 

post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

I guess it had to start eventually. Armstrong has accused of Hein Verbruggen of helping cover up Lance's positive test after the 1999 Tour de France. I guess he's decided not to wait for any official inquiries and is going to shoot first, must be a Texan "stand your ground" thing.

 

If we can blame this entire sorry situation on Texas somehow, I am totally down with that.

post #8 of 18

Lance as talented as he was ...... has proved to be a slimy low-down narcissistic prick.  When he opens his mouth assume he IS LYING. :bs:

---------------- This is coming from a LONG time cyclist, who raised many many thousands of dollars for his foundation and supported him vigorously till I learned I too had been duped.   

post #9 of 18

In this case, I believe the UCI turned a blind eye until the sh*t hit the fan, then they threw a bunch of people under the bus and tried to take the high ground. Armstrong, Hamilton and a long list of others, while no excuse, are a product of a corrupt system. If LA wants to name names and can back it up, drag 'em under the bus they threw him under. Honor among thieves, no way.

post #10 of 18

Although Lance was just one of many (just better at doping than most), he blew his cedibility some time ago. So ho hum.

post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post
 

Can we just assume that everybody connected with professional cycling from ~1990 to ~2010:

  • Helped somebody dope
  • Doped themselves
  • Was involved in hiding evidence of doping
  • All of the above

 

?

Why do you start with 1990 when Mercks was busted 3 times and Anquetil has admitted multiple times to taking performance enhancers...doping has been and will always be rampant in professional big money sports...who cares.

post #12 of 18

Olympic Doping Control is now starting to test the samples which they have kept frozen for years. They now have new tests that bypass some of the masking drugs which were previously successful. Medal counts and records are likely to change. I expect some very high profile athletes are not sleeping well. If your doping and can pass the test this year you now will have future year re-tests to also consider. Wonder how many develop timely injuries before Sochi. 

post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post

Why do you start with 1990 when Mercks was busted 3 times and Anquetil has admitted multiple times to taking performance enhancers...doping has been and will always be rampant in professional big money sports...who cares.

An irony will be if Lemond is found to have doped as well...

Mike
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post


An irony will be if Lemond is found to have doped as well...

Mike

 

 

He couldn't have with the veracity with which he denounced doping and dopers, wait someone else did that too.....

post #15 of 18

bah

post #16 of 18

It just keeps getting worse for Lance's reputation:

 

http://tracking.si.com/2013/12/13/italian-cyclist-says-lance-armstrong-paid-him-off/

post #17 of 18

Rio

I was racing back when that happened.  I don't think we knew anything, but we all just assumed that the fix was in as soon as Lance won the first race.  There was simply too much money on the table in a sport where most guys didn't get much more than free bikes and travel expenses.  We mostly thought that the promoters were so clueless about the sport, which actually allows and encourages cooperation among competitors, that they deserved it.

 

BK

post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by Bode Klammer View Post
 

Rio

I was racing back when that happened.  I don't think we knew anything, but we all just assumed that the fix was in as soon as Lance won the first race.  There was simply too much money on the table in a sport where most guys didn't get much more than free bikes and travel expenses.  We mostly thought that the promoters were so clueless about the sport, which actually allows and encourages cooperation among competitors, that they deserved it.

 

BK

Totally.  Riders didn't make that much money back in the day..they relied on payoffs to let other riders win to pad their salaries.  When LeMond broke in he refused to take a bribe to let someone else win and his team hated him because he cost them $10k each. 

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