Originally Posted by tball
Yep, how could the snowboarder be in control when he hit two skiers!
First you can see in his shadow that he pushed off the girl, annoyed because she cut into his imaginary lane. Then plowed into the little kid. The young girl recognized the dangerous situiation, and sensibly chose to slow. This required her to stop straightening and widen her turns to burn speed. She was skiing smart. The snowboarder should have pulled up behind her and done the same, but instead tried to shoot the gap between the girl and the dad, and boom.
It's really scary that seemingly reasonable people can think that someone who hits two people is in control and not a fault. It is this "lane" mentality advocated in the OP and by others that makes skiing far more dangerous than it needs to be.
If anything, I think the code should be updated to require a minimum of three feet to pass.
Here's the snowboarder video again (fun begins at 4:00).... 1K on our way
Once more with the "lane" business". It has nothing to do with "being in control". You're the one who believes in lanes in moguls and powder and said so. As in being ok for a mogul skier uphill to buzz someone who stops in his line. That's a lane. That makes you dangerous I guess?
By most people's reading in this video of the boarder being "out of control", the majority of the skiing public is "out of control".
You can still lay blame without him being "out of control". I would not say he was riding out of control, but too fast for that area, however, he was not actually going that much faster than anyone else on that trail.
Several things happen. First, a snowboarder is stopped in the trail forcing him to the left, at the same point the trail narrows and the girl on his left moves into his path. (I see no "assault" of the girl, he's fending her off so they don't collide) He then moves right which shortly brings him into contact with the child. I see little to no evidence that the boy was moving significantly before. I'm not sure why that matters anyway. Almost makes it worse for the dad.
The snowboarder is not being situationally aware. He's not "out of control". Once he bumps with the girl, on a crowded trail that's now increasing in pitch and narrowing, he should have shut everything down. We don't know what was behind him.
@fatbob is not wrong for putting some of this on the father of the hit child. There are multiple "Slow" signs on that trail and it's crowded. This means that on that trail it's likely you're going to get too much traffic and people going to fast. He's stopped on a pitch past a constriction on the trail. Just not good all around. He's not even looking uphill. He is not inexperienced. He's at least a level 7 skier, the dad, because it takes something to get your skis off, get downhill fast and hit the boarder with the ski.
Here's the thing, if the snowboarder had not been there, it is very likely that the girl the snowboarder deflects would have hit the kid.
So, which kid would you blame then? Would the father knock the girl over?
Another thing no one's mentioned, there was a patroller right there with a sled just before the trail narrows so he might have seen the whole thing, If Ski Patrol had the dad apologize to the snowboarder, it's likely that they viewed it as both parties at fault.
In the beginning of the video, the snowboarders are doing flips off a traversing trail. If the snowboarder payed as much attention to the trail conditions and riding in traffic as he did to the stunts, this wouldn't have happened. Yet the child still could've gotten hit.
Here's the thing. KIDS DON'T LOOK. You have to assume they will not see you and will veer into your path.
Originally Posted by nathanvg
Several posts seem to be making an illogical argument: The snowboarding was riding safely and then a crash “happened.” You can’t be riding safely and at the same time crash into someone.
The crash happened because the snowboarder made decisions that increased the risk of injury for others. His bad decisions were a combination of what he did (too fast, too close to others, etc.) and what he was capable of (limited stopping/avoiding skills, limits of icy snow conditions, etc.)
The little boy in the video could have been seriously hurt or even killed. I hope the epic community will be vocal that dangerous skiing in unacceptable and that skiing slower and with wider gaps is the right way.
You could say the same about the Dad. The Dad's actions definitely increased the risk of injury for his son. If not by this snowboarder, that girl could've hit the kid or someone else. That doesn't make it the Dad's "fault" but he's a factor.
The snowboarder was not going much faster than anyone else on that trail.
Did he make a bad decision? Yes. He should've come to a stop once the girl collided or slowed significantly before coming into that narrowing of the trail.
A lot of things happened to cause this accident. It's not a simple case of a snowboarder just flying down the trail hitting a kid.