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post #421 of 1099

Looks like they were playing tag.

 

Hard to tell from the camera tunnel vision, but I would have turned hard left and avoided that collision.

 

Reminds me of when I decided I was going to learn how to carve a circle on the slope a few years back.  My plan had been to gather speed on the short steeper section and then arc left back up and all the way around to down once it flattened out a bit.  Mid-way through the turn, as soon as I got pointed up, I saw someone following too close, too fast.  I quickly reset edges (not weight) and made a white-pass turn to the right on my right ski avoiding the collision, but I somehow managed to get my right ski pole under my left leg:dunno.    Skiing uphill is dangerous!

 

I've seen a few collisions where skier on the left skis into skier on the right when neither is ahead.  That's the most dangerous situation, two high speed carvers skiing together.


Edited by Ghost - 11/22/13 at 7:06pm
post #422 of 1099

Love skiing uphill! Best thing in the world.

That skier in the other video I think was skiing into the lodge behind the snowboarder.

 

A New Grey and Red Video. Involving Cutting Across A Slope.

 

In which Mr. Grey once again plays the part of the slope cutter and Ms Red is streaming down left.

This is a bad collision in which Ms Red breaks her tibia.

 

Assess:

 

http://youtu.be/gBIO9jXRFnM

post #423 of 1099
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

One thing I am big on is passing safely.   You give lots of space.  The faster, the more space.  After you make a pass it's not good to cut in front of someone real close.  In other words you give space to the person you just passed.  You must overtake safely.   In that case, it is like on the road.  I hate when people pass and then pull back into the lane right in front of you.  That's forced tailgating.  It's all about giving enough space to make it safe.  In the video, the two people were just too close to each other.

 

When I see someone make a pass on my wife or a friend and get too close, I will chew them a new hole.  That really gets me pissed.

 

If a slope is that crowded then one must just go slow with the flow of traffic.  People are not race gates or pylons.

 

The two people are not too close to each other. One is on one side of the run and the other is on the other side of the run... until gray decided b-line it all the way across the run without any notice. There was only a second or two that they were too close... unlike the snowboard/skier video. They were too close.

 

And I would get pissed too if someone made a pass at my wife :D


I admit I have not gone through the entire post.  I was referring to the second one with the skier boarder.  I'll have to go find it.  I still hold to what I have said prior.

post #424 of 1099
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

liquid feets comments about "lanes" has to do with teaching beginners. They need to realize they can't just go willy nilly across the slope. They can, but they'll be hit probably.

And sorry, anyone who skis on a trail has to deal with "lanes" one way or another. Not everyone can ski when no one is on a trail. Weekends are far different than weekdays.

 

Real "Bowling Alley":

OK, who's at fault here and why? The "lane changer" or the guy staying in his lane on the left?

 

http://youtu.be/JutHK2eRp10


If this is the one you are talking about it is clear who is at fault.

post #425 of 1099
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If this is the one you are talking about it is clear who is at fault.

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Well don't hold back. Or is it a secret?

post #426 of 1099

Pages of videos of people that can't turn hitting people that aren't paying attention. 

post #427 of 1099

Are we having fun yet?

Pleaseplease snow.  Please.

post #428 of 1099
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
If this is the one you are talking about it is clear who is at fault.

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Well don't hold back. Or is it a secret?


It should be clear.  The guy who ran over the guy who was below making a turn.  He obviously was not paying attention.

post #429 of 1099

I am one who often makes j turns and goes uphill.  Do I look before I do that.  You bet you sweet bippie.  Most people just don't expect that,  From the video above the guy who made a light turn just flat out got plowed into.   This lane crap is just crap.  A million years ago people vadeled along in a line and could not hardly turn a ski.  A millon years ago things were a little bit different than todays modern skiing.  I will continue to use the entire trail as I please, so please don't try to pass me if you don't have space and good timing.

Edit: and if the trail is 100 yards wide, I will take it all.

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post #432 of 1099
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

Are we having fun yet?

Pleaseplease snow.  Please.

Looks like a lot of people haven't skied or had relations in a while.

post #433 of 1099
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

Edit: and if the trail is 100 yards wide, I will take it all.

do you have top tier hospital cover?

post #434 of 1099

Skiing is like driving in one way. People appear to turn their brains off for both activities.

post #435 of 1099

^^^^Hmmm, this from a guy that by his own admission does very little of either.

post #436 of 1099
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^^^^Hmmm, this from a guy that by his own admission does very little of either.


He may not drive a motorized vehicle much, but he shares the roads with them a lot more than most bears.

post #437 of 1099
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

 

And in the case of the FIS code...

 

Pulled from this similar thread: http://www.epicski.com/t/82663/skier-rider-code-of-conduct

 

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  1. Consideration of the other Skiers: Every skier has to behave in a way he or she doesn't endanger or damage any other.
  2. Controlling of speed and way of skiing: Every skier has to ski on sight. He has to adapt his speed and way of skiing to his abilities and the conditions of the terrain, the snow and the weather and to the traffic density.

 

 

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I am one who often makes j turns and goes uphill.  Do I look before I do that.  You bet you sweet bippie.  Most people just don't expect that,  From the video above the guy who made a light turn just flat out got plowed into.   This lane crap is just crap.  A million years ago people vadeled along in a line and could not hardly turn a ski.  A millon years ago things were a little bit different than todays modern skiing.  I will continue to use the entire trail as I please, so please don't try to pass me if you don't have space and good timing.

Edit: and if the trail is 100 yards wide, I will take it all.

Other than looking before making a J turn, is there anything you would do differently if the area you were skiing followed the FIS Code?  On a really crowded trail, do you think it is a good idea to use all of it as you please?  What would be the result if everyone did this?

post #438 of 1099

It would have to be really crowded for me not to use all of the trail at will, but I would have to be really stupid or self-destructive to attempt to ski across say the bottom of Johannsen at Tremblant on a crowded Saturday Afternoon (skier density about 1 skier per 10 square meters- all skiing more or less straight down, some wheedling, some turning in a narrow lane, and more than a few straight-lining in panic mode). 

post #439 of 1099
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

 

And in the case of the FIS code...

 

Pulled from this similar thread: http://www.epicski.com/t/82663/skier-rider-code-of-conduct

 

Quote:

  1. Consideration of the other Skiers: Every skier has to behave in a way he or she doesn't endanger or damage any other.
  2. Controlling of speed and way of skiing: Every skier has to ski on sight. He has to adapt his speed and way of skiing to his abilities and the conditions of the terrain, the snow and the weather and to the traffic density.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

I am one who often makes j turns and goes uphill.  Do I look before I do that.  You bet you sweet bippie.  Most people just don't expect that,  From the video above the guy who made a light turn just flat out got plowed into.   This lane crap is just crap.  A million years ago people vadeled along in a line and could not hardly turn a ski.  A millon years ago things were a little bit different than todays modern skiing.  I will continue to use the entire trail as I please, so please don't try to pass me if you don't have space and good timing.

Edit: and if the trail is 100 yards wide, I will take it all.

Other than looking before making a J turn, is there anything you would do differently if the area you were skiing followed the FIS Code?  On a really crowded trail, do you think it is a good idea to use all of it as you please?  What would be the result if everyone did this?


1. No.  2. I have already stated prior how I would ski a really crowded trail.  Go back and see.

post #440 of 1099
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

1. No.  2. I have already stated prior how I would ski a really crowded trail.  Go back and see.

 

Says the guy who shows up on page 15 having read only the first post. Then posts totally unrelated videos and doesn't explain what he wants people to see.

post #441 of 1099
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Originally Posted by tball View Post

I always glance uphill when I change my path of travel.  That's just smart defensive skiing.

I just don't think requiring others to do so makes sense.

Well.... biggrin.gif

Colorado law assigns you a duty to do so. Colorado also does not incorporate the SCOC by reference, and it therefore offers no protection. This is what is meant when you compare negligence vs. negligence per se. The latter precludes common law principles, the SCOC, and any other subjective analysis and only leaves what was meant in legislative intent.

Those of us who live here had better be able to look uphill without wrecking or slow to a speed and track where we cannot cause accidents (cause and fault are not the same thing) or we may be liable under the law. It doesn't matter what the SCOC says here except in the principle of being a good enough skier to avoid Tog's video with either color jacket.
post #442 of 1099
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

Then posts totally unrelated videos and doesn't explain what he wants people to see.

 

I believe the videos were to show how skiing styles have changed over time with the new side cut skis. Now that folks carve wide arcs down the hill instead of tight wedeln(ing?), perhaps we need a different interpretation of the safety code?

post #443 of 1099
Seems we have plenty of interpretations!
post #444 of 1099
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

1. No.  2. I have already stated prior how I would ski a really crowded trail.  Go back and see.

 

Says the guy who shows up on page 15 having read only the first post. Then posts totally unrelated videos and doesn't explain what he wants people to see.


Don't be ridiculous, Old vs new.  It's so simple!  It had to do with my prior comment.

post #445 of 1099
Ah you're a cubist in posting Jacque!
Naybreak what's SCOC?
post #446 of 1099
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Ah you're a cubist in posting Jacque!
Naybreak what's SCOC?


Tog, you are joking?  Right.   SCOC?  Skier Code of Conduct.   As far a Cubisim, I don't think I have a style that is definitive.  Tog away!  I'm happy!  First turns today.

post #447 of 1099

Skier Code Of Conduct?

post #448 of 1099

Some of us like to use the entire width of the trail!  This is old and been seen, but here I go again.

 

post #449 of 1099
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

Some of us like to use the entire width of the trail!  This is old and been seen, but here I go again.

 

If this is how you would ski on crowded slopes, then you may be a good skier, but are selfish and a hazard to others.  By skiing mostly straight across a crowded slop at 50 MPH, you are forcing less skilled skiers who are travelling at slower speeds than you and want to pass to have good timing, and the ability to change their route when you come out of nowhere while avoiding other skiers besides you.  A skier may be 50 feet (or more) clear of you 1 second and colliding with you the next second while you take no responsibility yourself.

post #450 of 1099
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Originally Posted by Lorenzzo View Post
 

Looks like a lot of people haven't skied or had relations in a while.

 

For me, it was both, but I fixed the former today.  ;)

 

Now, if I can just do something about the latter...  :(

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