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Iney Meany Shishka Beany,,

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I'm flipping coins on getting an Intuition Liner or not.  I have the Salomon X Max 120.  Got them last year, fitted at GMOL (was at Stratten and now at Bromley).  Fit and performance wise, I don't think I could be happier.  My only issue is they are cold.  I would like to get out of the habit of always wearing boot gloves and re warming the boots with portable warmers at lunch time so I can last a whole day.  It's working, but gets tedious.

 

Other than a shim under my right foot, the only bootfitting (to the boot not figuring out what I needed) was heat molding the stock liner and one punch for a wannabe bunion.  Prior to heat molding, having my foot in the boot was fairly painful.  For a sock, I wear a sock liner.  Even the thinnest ski sock won't fit, at least without remolding.

 

I previously had Intuitions (FX and Gold ID)  in different boots and was happy with them.  If anything, they were too warm.

 

My question is, how to decide which Intuition to pick?  If it was a little stiffer, I wouldn't mind but I don't really need it.  Fit wise, I believe I need the lowest volume they have.  I'm leaning towards the FX or HD.  Not against the Wrap or Plug but I know they will increase the stiffness by 10-15% and though I feel comfortable with that, I'm mainly after gaining warmth and not sacrificing performance.

 

Any recommendations?

 

Also, the boot I have are 24.5.  From Intuitions site, it looks like I should order the 24.  I wear an 8 street shoe and if I remember correctly, my bare foot measure 26cm and is right at 98mm across the bof.

 

Thanks,

Ken

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I just checked and for a shell fit, I have 3/8" clearance.  I kept trying different dowels until I got one to slide in without depressing my heel.

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any of the mid volumes should be fine.  maybe a high volume if you want the boot to be a bit snugger.

 

wrap vs tongue is a personal (shin) thing more then anything

 

flex can be altered with the shell later, again, if needed

 

 

I think you are overthinking this a bit.

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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
 

any of the mid volumes should be fine.  maybe a high volume if you want the boot to be a bit snugger.

 

wrap vs tongue is a personal (shin) thing more then anything

 

flex can be altered with the shell later, again, if needed

 

 

I think you are overthinking this a bit.

 

Have you not read any of my posts?  Over thinking is what I do :rules::D

 

 

Thanks for the info.  Much appreciated.  I'm not done thinking though.  And there is no way I would want this boot snugger.  Even out of the boot, the liner is very snug.

 

Thanks,

Ken

post #5 of 7

Don't try on liners out of the boot, they feel very snug.  But you should already have noticed they overall fit isn't as snug with the liner in the boot.  Also Intuitions if properly fit probably won't take up any more volume but will add warmth.

 

Lou

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At mtnlion's suggestion wink.gif I continued to over think this and have come to the following conclusion.

When my feet were in Kryptons with Intuitions they would get cold an cold days, not because they didn't stay warm but because my feet would sweat and wet feet get cold easy. In my new boots, the stock liner is a warmish liner though not as warm as the Intuitions.

I mentioned how I would always warm my feet and boots at lunch time. What I think I was really doing was drying the boots and my feet. My sock liner covered foot went into a regular sock and then into my snow boots. They warmed up quickly but I believe this it because I was 1) inside and 2) the sock liner was wicking the sweat away from my foot to the sock.

In discussing this with the boot fitter, his recommendation is Hotronics or doing more creative things with the chemical packs and boot gloves. In another thread I've gotten so e negative reviews about chemical packs on the outside of the toe box under the boot glove. The fitter said it works great for him but feed back here isn't as positive.

I love the way my boots fit so instead of trying to duplicate it with another liner, I'm going to give the Hotronics a try as long as I can find a good enough deal on them. I'm going to need new liners in another season or so anyway so I'll kick that can down the road.

I'm also considering a modification to my boot gloves. One of the things I learned SCUBA diving is that neoprene is a great insulator under water, but if you are above water and there is any wind, it will get you cold quick! So I'm going to see if I can do something creative with that with a wind shield (I.e. Aluminum tape on the inside) but making sure that it allows enough air to work its way through so the chemical packs still work.

Ken
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I've gotten a couple nudges in PM's asking what I ended up doing and how it is working.  So...

 

I installed the hotronics and love it.  Even when it isn't that cold I still use them on low.  During the Polar Vortex or whatever it was called, I used them with boot gloves but found the boot gloves trapped snow between the boot and the glove so I don't use the gloves anymore.

 

I don't think the Hotronics is a "save all" and can be done with a cavaleir approach.  I'm still very diligent about keeping my boots and feet warm and dry.  I still dry my feet and boots at lunch time (as mentioned above).

 

A couple nights ago it was so called for beer league that it felt like I was in the wrong boots.  They were ridiculously stiff.  But my feet we warm.

 

I also on crazy cold days (which we've had plenty of) use the little orange heaters to warm them on the way to the mountain and at lunch time.

 

Most times I only need the Hotronics set to #2. 

 

My feet still sweat but my feet stay warm.  I've been out plenty of days were it was stupid cold but my feet were fine. 

 

Hotronics is one of the most impressive (though overpriced for what it is) items of ski gear I have and I will continue to use them.  I do think folks should spend time hunting around to get a good deal.

 

Ken

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