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post #1 of 13
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I've heard some say that the fixed AFD is better for ski performance reasons (less play) than the newer AFD designs with the pad that swivels

 

I'm curious about your feelings on the matter considering that the AFD design is one of the few things that have changed going from 957-977-997 models into the current STH16 line.

 

Do you think it is worth even considering to upgrade the AFD?

 

I have those same yellow/Gray 997 Equipes mounted up right now.

post #2 of 13
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

 

Here are some pictures of what to look for. Salomon S957E, S977E and S997E (900E and 916/20 LABS are also good but more money), these bindings come in three different DIN ranges..6-14, 11-17 and 14-20. 

 

 

 

Note, on the left binding, the screw on the heel for forward pressure, this is referred to "Worm Heel" and also that the whole rear base is metal, the binding on the right, is a tab heel, these are plastic and not what you are looking for. 

 

Here these can also be modernized with a Sth16 AFD and the 997's forward can accommodate a brake up to 130mm

 

 

 

There are commonly S957 Jigs on ebay and they are good to have for $50-75.00. These can be adapted to go up to about 105mm skis.

LLLL

 

Does that help?

 

Yeah, thanks!!  Thing is, I don't think I've ever seen any these on any ski I've seen for sale.  Then again it may just be because I was ignoring the bindings.

 

Come to think of it though, I did get a pair of NIB Salomons at a garage sale that looked alot like the 957s.  It was about 8 years ago and I gave to my brother for his skis.  I'll have to check if he ever got them mounted.  He ran into knee troubles about then and pretty much stopped skiing.

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Yeah, thanks!!  Thing is, I don't think I've ever seen any these on any ski I've seen for sale.  Then again it may just be because I was ignoring the bindings.

 

Come to think of it though, I did get a pair of NIB Salomons at a garage sale that looked alot like the 957s.  It was about 8 years ago and I gave to my brother for his skis.  I'll have to check if he ever got them mounted.  He ran into knee troubles about then and pretty much stopped skiing.

Look for old long skis from the 90's, usually 200cm plus. These are getting tougher to come by because they are no longer indemnified and unfortunately shops & people are just tossing them. At this point, I have about 20 pair in my collection. 

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Yeah, thanks!!  Thing is, I don't think I've ever seen any these on any ski I've seen for sale.  Then again it may just be because I was ignoring the bindings.

 

Come to think of it though, I did get a pair of NIB Salomons at a garage sale that looked alot like the 957s.  It was about 8 years ago and I gave to my brother for his skis.  I'll have to check if he ever got them mounted.  He ran into knee troubles about then and pretty much stopped skiing.

 

Well, like current model bindings, different years used different color schemes. The problem is, inferior bindings looking externally similar also used different colors.

 

Generally, the good stuff from this time period were labeled LAB, Equipe, or Race.

 

The plastic variants had a bunch of different names and is generally stuff I would not ski on anything other than a groomer on gaper day. Many times they were helpful in putting stuff like "Composite" in the name- Example 977 Composite.

 

There are also demo versions of the Equipe series that are less good. I have a set of 957 Equipe demos. The good news is they are all metal, but they had a tab track heel and some other things that are less good that I don't really remember at the moment.

 

Speaking of which. Does anybody happen to know what screw lengths I need for said 957E Demos to mount? I would like to remount them, but I am missing some screws that I don't know how to replace.

post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post
 

I've heard some say that the fixed AFD is better for ski performance reasons (less play) than the newer AFD designs with the pad that swivels

 

I'm curious about your feelings on the matter considering that the AFD design is one of the few things that have changed going from 957-977-997 models into the current STH16 line.

 

Do you think it is worth even considering to upgrade the AFD?

 

I have those same yellow/Gray 997 Equipes mounted up right now.

I do think the new Sth AFD's are worth the upgrade especially on anything 90mm and over in width. 

post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

I do think the new Sth AFD's are worth the upgrade especially on anything 90mm and over in width.

 

Can you explain why for those that aren't as well versed in this stuff?

post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

 

Speaking of which. Does anybody happen to know what screw lengths I need for said 957E Demos to mount? I would like to remount them, but I am missing some screws that I don't know how to replace.

 

Keep putting different length ones in until you see 3-4 full threads exposed at the bottom when the screw is all the way in.   That's the ones.

post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

much stopped skiing.

Look for old long skis from the 90's, usually 200cm plus. These are getting tougher to come by because they are no longer indemnified and unfortunately shops & people are just tossing them. At this point, I have about 20 pair in my collection. 


All mine need new AFDs tho.

post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

I do think the new Sth AFD's are worth the upgrade especially on anything 90mm and over in width. 

 

 

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Can you explain why for those that aren't as well versed in this stuff?

The platform is more stable. The Driver and Sphiric plates had some rotational play on edge angle where the new Sth2 plate in just a more stable and solid platform and on a wider ski with more leverage being created that means more efficiency. 

 

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All mine need new AFDs tho.

All you need is money now. 

 

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What type of metal should the screws be made out of?

Transparent Aluminum, just don't drop any. 

post #10 of 13

This recent discussion has moved away from the Retro topic..what do you think about moving it to it's own thread "Salomon Driver Discussion", I think we might get more people involved that might me missing this. 

post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

This recent discussion has moved away from the Retro topic..what do you think about moving it to it's own thread "Salomon Driver Discussion", I think we might get more people involved that might me missing this. 

 

I'm good with that.

post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 

Philpug recommended we move some discussion of the oldie but goodie Salomon driver/equipe/race 957/977/997 binding discussion off the retro thread.

 

My current issue concerns a set of 957E demos I have. They were pulled off of a set of Salomon Equipe 9000 skis because my brother was going to use them a few years back, but he ended up never using the bindings.

 

I would like to get them back on the skis if it can be done with a minimum of fuss/muss for the occasional nostalgia lap, but as brothers are known to do, I didn't get all of the parts back.

 

I am missing screws for the toe (8), and a metal plate that goes under the brake area (centered in picture).

 

Does anybody know what bindings share the missing plate for me to try and cannibalize?

 

post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 

I figured I would share some others in my current stable of sally bindings.

 

On the left is a set of worm heel 997 Equipe Drivers.

On the right is a set of Salomon S914 Pilots. The bindings have almost the same overall design and 6-14 DIN, but the S914's have a spheric AFD and a plastic heel. The Pilot refers to the funky frame the binding is on that allows the ski to flex underfoot- my understanding is that this can be removed and the bindings can be mounted flat.

 

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