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What's the best ski for giants?

post #1 of 19
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Hi all,

 

Being 6'8" and 320lbs, I realize that most skis made just won't work well for me, and its time to get larger skis. Currently I ski 186 High Society FR's, but I need a ski that I can charge back country powder on. I am not an expert skier, however I am planning on skiing a lot this season now that I attend Montana State and have my Bridger Bowl pass.  What kind of ski should I be looking for?  I am thinking something along the lines of ON3P Pillowfights (196cm, 160, 135, 144), Praxis Powderboards (200cm, 138,134,129), or RMU Professors (200cm, 146, 120, 136). Am I on the right track?  I tend to ski fast and am a quite powerful skier.

 

Thanks guys.

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post #2 of 19

Those skis sound like they would work fine for someone your size.  When reading the first portion of your post I was thinking something over 110 in width and 195 plus in length.  You nailed it.

post #3 of 19

The trouble finding a good ski for the Backcountry that is an appropriate size and build for you is that it will not likely be very light.  Usually, someone looks for lightness for a BC ski. 

 

Some manufacturers are making skis with more than one build so that it suits a variety of skier sizes, shapes and strengths. 

Kastle FX104 is supposed to be a pretty beefy ski, but I have no first hand experience with it.

I think the ElCapo from Nordica would be a nice ski, with camber under foot, rocker tip and tail and extra stiffness for a big powerful skier. 

 

Here is a video that Philput and I did with the Nordica guy. 

 

post #4 of 19

Call up the ON3P guys and have them build you the ski you need.  They are great people making great skis and can custom build something for what you would pay for many other stock skis.  They can lay in extra carbon in the entire ski or just specific areas.  I was very impressed with their knowledge and willingness to talk to their customers.  It is a company where you can still talk to the guy actually making your skis.  If nothing else is it is worth a phone call.

post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by kirbymcrae View Post
 

Hi all,

 

Being 6'8" and 320lbs, I realize that most skis made just won't work well for me, and its time to get larger skis. Currently I ski 186 High Society FR's, but I need a ski that I can charge back country powder on. I am not an expert skier, however I am planning on skiing a lot this season now that I attend Montana State and have my Bridger Bowl pass.  What kind of ski should I be looking for?  I am thinking something along the lines of ON3P Pillowfights (196cm, 160, 135, 144), Praxis Powderboards (200cm, 138,134,129), or RMU Professors (200cm, 146, 120, 136). Am I on the right track?  I tend to ski fast and am a quite powerful skier.

 

Thanks guys.

I'd stay north of 120 mm waist, and I second the vote for a custom job. But besides ON3P, also check out Praxis or Folsom. Keith at Praxis could set you up with a stiff Ullr or Protest, carbon construction that would handle your size for a very reasonable weight (and price). Keep in mind that stiffness = weight, since it's achieved by more materials. If you want to go seriously light, think about a DPS 120 Pure 3, Flex 3. They won't be cheap, though. 

 

If you want to stay non-custom, and perhaps a touch less demanding, I'd take a serious look at the new Volkl Shiro. It's got metal this year, think it's still 119 mm, so beefy and wide enough for you, strong reviews, no speed limit, but forgiving for such a big ski because of the full rocker. Not super light, but can't have everything...and unclear whether you mean backcountry as in 'hiking," where a few oz is no big deal, or "skinning," where it may be. 

post #6 of 19
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post #7 of 19

I am 6' 3" and 250 so I know what your talking about. I have the Praxis 200 Powderboards, Praxis 196 Protest, Ski Logik 192 Depth Hoars (167-143-160) and Fat-ypus 190 Lotta (172-140-158). They all work great in Powder, the Powderboards are like power steering for powder, not as much fun as the other three on packed out or groomed runs. I also have several 120 something waist skis smaller snow fall resort days. All skis are somewhat of a compromise, that's why I have so many, as the day progresses, conditions change, the powder gets cut up and packed out, and the runs groomed last have less powder on them than the runs groomed at first 5 pm the day before.

 

It really depends on what your intended use is and in some respects you may not know being new to the area. I have only skied Bridger twice, two days in a row during a storm cycle, the snow was pretty heavy so I did not see it at its best. I only resort ski and those skis all work great for me.

post #8 of 19

196 Blizzard Bodacious. 193 Cochise, second year of production with the brown topsheet... stiffer than 1st or this year's. 19? Helldorado. I DO like the ON3P custom idea though. To the OP, you'd absolutely fold any of the RMU skis. 

post #9 of 19
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196 Blizzard Bodacious. 193 Cochise, second year of production with the brown topsheet... stiffer than 1st or this year's. 19? Helldorado. I DO like the ON3P custom idea though. To the OP, you'd absolutely fold any of the RMU skis. 

I hear you about stiffness here, but do they have enough surface area to float someone well north of 300 lbs? 

post #10 of 19

Can't think of anything 120+ underfoot that does... OH HECK! YES!... The longest length possible of the Bushy Waynes maybe! If they make... hmmmm. They only come in a 185. :( 

post #11 of 19

or 198cm Volkl Katana or 203cm volkl Shiro I would not be to worried about the weight. Compared to some people who skin on katanas at 170lb the increased weight for larger ski to a 320 lb dude is nothing.

post #12 of 19

Do you plan on keeping your 186 High Society FR and skiing those on average snowfall days (8" or so)? If so, you could get away with a large powder-specific ski, like some of the 125mm+ underfoot options being mentioned.

 

However, if you're looking to replace your FRs, untracked powder doesn't last long at resorts, and once it's gone, float doesn't really matter anymore (though a reasonably wide ski will be more stable). Once you start getting above 115mm, it can really suck to lay over on edge or take through moguls (even soft powder day ones). In my opinion, the 198 Katana would be a better ski, or a custom Praxis/ON3P in a custom stiff layup. I'd probably go 191 ON3P Wrenegade. But, if you truly want a deep day ski and plan to keep your FRs, then yeah, I could see looking at something megawide, but be honest with yourself about the conditions you'll actually be skiing. Most people think they'll get to ski a lot of untracked powder by skiing a lot, especially if they don't have experience with 60-100 day seasons, but reality usually has a different plan in mind.

post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

or 198cm Volkl Katana or 203cm volkl Shiro I would not be to worried about the weight. Compared to some people who skin on katanas at 170lb the increased weight for larger ski to a 320 lb dude is nothing.

Look at the V-works Katana  and weight won't be an issue.  They're super light and plenty beefy.   However, the longest I've seen is 191cm. They're pricey too, at $1100. As someone else suggested, the Shiro might be a better solution. They're wider (118 or 119mm) and come in at least a 193cm length. They're also cheaper at about $699 and probably more the type of ski you are looking for (powder/crud) than the Katana Vworks (big mountain, high-speed charger).

post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

or 198cm Volkl Katana or 203cm volkl Shiro I would not be to worried about the weight. Compared to some people who skin on katanas at 170lb the increased weight for larger ski to a 320 lb dude is nothing.

 

 

198 Katana or 196 Bodacious... these will both ski like Bonafides for the OP at his size and weight. The Shiro isn't as stiff as either, and only a mm different in width than the Bodacious. The suggestion of the V-works Katana... Very interesting skis, but I'm not willing to suggest something quite so new and untried on a 300 lb skier. Light might be the new emerging trend in alpine ski materiality, but we're talking a magnitude of big here. :)

post #15 of 19

Agree about the issue of Katanas ending up with the float of a Bone, and about the V-Werks. It seems to be getting weirdly bimodal reviews, nothing in the middle. Also saw a pic of a demo with a nice fluff of dinged carbon along the edge near the front; suspect a pure carbon rim, nothing underneath, would present interesting durability issues. 

 

My idea (and maybe Josh's) about the Shiro is based on the 2014, which has two layers of metal - I think it's now officially the widest metal ski in existence - and reportedly is very beefy, more like a fat Katana, that handles because of the rocker. But obviously have not skied it, so...

 

I keep coming back to Praxis or ON3P. Some indies really get super fats in a way that not all of the majors do, or bother to...

 

And in that spirit, I present the OP with his winnah, widely liked, reasonably priced, and it comes in a 190 (drumroll): 

 

http://www.fat-ypus.com/home/a-lotta.php

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post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

The trouble finding a good ski for the Backcountry that is an appropriate size and build for you is that it will not likely be very light.  Usually, someone looks for lightness for a BC ski. 

 

Some manufacturers are making skis with more than one build so that it suits a variety of skier sizes, shapes and strengths. 

Kastle FX104 is supposed to be a pretty beefy ski, but I have no first hand experience with it.

I think the ElCapo from Nordica would be a nice ski, with camber under foot, rocker tip and tail and extra stiffness for a big powerful skier. 

 

Here is a video that Philput and I did with the Nordica guy. 

 

 
The El Capo 193 is more like a 198..another option as a big ski it goes to 109mm underfoot. 
 
 
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Originally Posted by RobertRS View Post
 

I am 6' 3" and 250 so I know what your talking about. I have the Praxis 200 Powderboards, Praxis 196 Protest, Ski Logik 192 Depth Hoars (167-143-160) and Fat-ypus 190 Lotta (172-140-158). They all work great in Powder, the Powderboards are like power steering for powder, not as much fun as the other three on packed out or groomed runs. I also have several 120 something waist skis smaller snow fall resort days. All skis are somewhat of a compromise, that's why I have so many, as the day progresses, conditions change, the powder gets cut up and packed out, and the runs groomed last have less powder on them than the runs groomed at first 5 pm the day before.

 

It really depends on what your intended use is and in some respects you may not know being new to the area. I have only skied Bridger twice, two days in a row during a storm cycle, the snow was pretty heavy so I did not see it at its best. I only resort ski and those skis all work great for me.

 

Yeah, he is a big boy too. 

 

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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

196 Blizzard Bodacious. 193 Cochise, second year of production with the brown topsheet... stiffer than 1st or this year's. 19? Helldorado. I DO like the ON3P custom idea though. To the OP, you'd absolutely fold any of the RMU skis. 

 

The big Flipcores are an option, 193 Helldo is a SHORT 193.

 

 

As an addition....The 195 PM Gear Super Bro (aka Hart Boss) would be a great hard snow option if you get there. 

post #18 of 19

@kirbymcrae You are getting a lot of great advice on this thread, and there are a ton of great options.

If you start leaning towards the 196 Bodacious, please contact me, and I will help you with a 

terrific deal. I have a few sets in my gear room that are looking for a happy home.

post #19 of 19

OK; I've been skiing since 1965 when I was 5. I'm 53 now, but havent skied in 5-6 years because of my weight. The last time I skied I was 315; I'm 5'11" and my weight went up from there. I'm now looking to get back to skiing, because my Daughter's working at Beaver Creek, and, well It's time. I needed to lose about 50lbs just to get back to my last skiig weight and I'm about half way there. 

 

I still have my K2 Extremes from 10+ years ago. Theyre 185's and after reading through this thread, wonder whether or not they are unsafe for me to ski in. I stay away from moguls now(I like my Knees), but know I won't be able to stay away from any jumps once I get my form back. Even at 315, I was hitting the terrain parks and, by far, the oldest and largest guy there. I am a fast agressive skier. Any advice?

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