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Downside of Demo Bindings?

post #1 of 16
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I bought my skis a few years ago used with demo bindings (Blizzard Magnum 8.1 Ti with Marker demos).  The bindings seem to work fine...easy on and off, have only released the boot a few times during pretty aggressive falls, etc.

 

I basically dont notice the bindings at all because they are trouble free and work as they are supposed to.

 

I am looking at buying another pair of skis online and these will also come with demo binding (Marker Squire demos).  I am not shopping for skis with demo bindings but it seems like every time a find a ski that I am interested in at a good price, they are equipped with demo bindings.

 

Whats the downside of demo bindings?  The seem less expensive, they work fine, easy to adjust if a buddy wants to try my skis, etc.  Is it that demo bindings are heavier, and if so, how much heavier (can you even notice the excess weight)?

post #2 of 16

Heavier, more slop and taller stand height.  Lots of folks (me included) prefer a lower stand height for variable snow/terrain.  

 

Another upside to some demos (those with independent heel and toe movements) is the ability to adjust mount point, which can turn "bad" skis into "great" skis in about 90 seconds.

post #3 of 16

Typically heavier, higher and, in some cases, more ramp angle.  Some demos may also have a bit more slop to them.  With that said, there are a lot of advantages (including the extra stand height giving you more leverage, although some prefer not to have this in powder and bumps).  For many the extra weight won't be that noticeable, so, based on your past experience, it sounds like they may provide more advantages than disadvantages.

 

edit-whitemb beat me to it

post #4 of 16
Agree with other posters - ease of adjustability. For me, the downside of taller stand height is that my legs don't fit under most chair bars when I try to put my feet on the foot rests. IF you're under 6 ft tall, never mind....
post #5 of 16

Are demo bindings really all that much heavier?  I've been googling to find weight specs for various bindings and haven't found much.

 

The one comparison I've found so far is between the Atomic FFG 14 in demo and non-demo versions.  The demo model is 2120 grams.  The regular model is 4 pounds 10.8 ounces, which converts to 2120.54 grams.  Not much difference there.

 

http://www.backcountry.com/atomic-ffg-14-team-ski-binding

http://www.evo.com/outlet/alpine-ski-bindings/atomic-ffg-14-demo-115mm-brakes.aspx

 

I've always heard demo bindings are heavier and they've always seemed heavier, but what do the specs say?

post #6 of 16

I now put Griffon demo's on everything.

 

If two plastic plates and a worm gear really add anything of significance, then I'd be surprised.

 

same binding, maybe a 1/8th inch taller but all the advantages above, and you can re-adjust for friends and family, plus they make the skis easier to sell.

 

Some demo's are MUCH heavier and taller (Head's come to mind), but the Griffon demo's are just natural's.

post #7 of 16
Whats the downside of demo bindings?



Well, one thing that I don't like is that someone could easily ski off with them from a mid/top mountain lodge while you are in doing whatever you need to do. Since only a very small percentage lock their skis.

That is highly unlikely with a non demo binding.
post #8 of 16

Ditto, Marker Griffon Demos on everything for me as well!

post #9 of 16

Whats been said and a Marker Griffon Demo bindings gives up little if anything relative to a retail binding.

post #10 of 16

Unlike other demo binding, the marker demo is very similar in stance & weight to their regular bindings. That said, I've noticed that the marker demo toe pieces becomes sloppy after about 40 days of skiing. The regular markers does not have this issue.

 

BTW, don't know why marker squires requires higher step in force at the heel than other markers.

post #11 of 16

While I am not a fan of demo bindings, but as mentioned, the Markers ski closest to their retail counterparts so when I am testing skis, the Marker skis truer. 

post #12 of 16
I just bought a pair of Kendos with the demo binding.

They are the Tyrolia AAAtack 13LTs. At first I wondered what the advantages and disadvantages were. No one ever borrows my skis, my boot size doesn't change, and I'm not planning to re-sell these. They might be, spec-wise, heavier, and stand taller, but it's not noticeable. I did worry about the slop, but they seem fine. Actually, less slop than my old bindings that were getting sloppy due to age.

There is no advantage re: price if you bought the demo vs retail online....the price advantage comes from them being attached to demos in the first place (yes, I bought a demo ski).

So for me, other than the fact they have advantages that I will never use and that they scream "I bought a demo", they are fine.
post #13 of 16

OP-- note that the Squire binding is a lighter model--perhaps not as durable as others in the Royal family?

post #14 of 16

Marker demo are really nice for traveling... not that nice for skiing but that's another story. You can pop the toes and heels off in less than a minute. On top of it, you can move your BSL roughly +/- 3CM if you want to play around.

post #15 of 16
I have a pair of Head Rock n Rolls with Tyrolia Sympro 12 demo bindings. I recently bought another set of Rock n Rolls with Tyrolia Peak 15 bindings and had my first chance to try them yesterday.

The Peak bindings seem to be more responsive / 'tight' in terms of translating my movements in to action on the skis vs. the Sympro demo bindings. However, the pair with the Peaks don't seem to go from edge to edge as easily as the pair with the Sympro demo bindings. On piste, the difference is very noticeable.

I assume that this is to do with the relative height differences between the demo / non-demo bindings? I feel that the demos offer a better compromise on piste.

Can I do anything with the Peaks to raise the height of the binding - some kind of 'plate?' as it may then offer the best of both worlds?

Cheers
post #16 of 16

You can do several things. Buy a Raceplate RDX or CP13/SP13 plate and slap it under the bindings. But then you'd have to plug and redrill the skis.

 

Or find some Tyrolia spacers (from somewhere that caters to the racing world, probably), which will let you build up some height, but you'll also need longer screws.

 

Or buy a cheap cutting board in your favourite colour and fashion your own spacers, but again you'll need longer screws.

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