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post #61 of 225
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Dude:  here's my question.  young boarder attacks a senior citizen in the lift line; one person, the skiers friend, intervenes and is knocked out cold; so, what about all the people in the lift-line, what were they doing while this unlawful assault was occurring before their very eyes?

 

The same people that stand around and start taking pictures and tweeting when someone falls onto the subway tracks instead of helping. 

post #62 of 225
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Originally Posted by mcdave69 View Post
 

Dude:  here's my question.  young boarder attacks a senior citizen in the lift line; one person, the skiers friend, intervenes and is knocked out cold; so, what about all the people in the lift-line, what were they doing while this unlawful assault was occurring before their very eyes?


Again, the encounter happened suddenly because the boarder approached from back of the line with his board off, demanded an apology and struck within seconds.  Also, it was not a prolonged attack, and everyone had skis on - you can't move quickly in this situation.  However, someone pulled the boarder back, which prevented further bloodshed.  No one wanted to further confront the boarder, who kept swearing and complaining, it was obvious he was not very rational.  Several walked over the  lifteys after the fruckus and did the right thing - asked for ski patrol intervention.

 

My focus and that of several others was to aide the guy who was knocked out.  he was down with skis on, and he didn't know where he was once he awoke or what had happened.  I assessed concussion, got a hold of a ski patrol, who also assessed a concussion.  we told the knocked out skier that he was "done", and patrol gave him a ride down.

post #63 of 225

Well, it's good to see that the other people in the lift line got involved even if they couldn't stop the attack from happening (Who could? Those things happen pretty fast.) 

 

Let us know if you hear any further info about this incident.

post #64 of 225

I am seeing some lame comments in this thread.  The issue isn't snowboarder or skier, it's what the individual did.  He kicked someone... a KO.  That's deadly force.

 

Time to get a gun!

post #65 of 225

Where's Georges St. Pierre when you need him?

post #66 of 225
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Originally Posted by tylrwnzl View Post
 

...OMG. 

Does this make anyone here want to buy these skis?

post #67 of 225
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

...OMG. 

Does this make anyone here want to buy these skis?

 

That's quite a bit out of context tho.    It was specifically meant for the type of audience that would fall over laughing at a video of  SM being humped by his dog.

post #68 of 225

Speaking from the perspective of an "old guy," the vast majority of the problems I've encountered have been with young boarders.  I can't tell you how many times they interfere with people coming off the chair because they're sitting on a hill in a large group, or boarding recklessly in a pack.  One of my daughters quit skiing in large part as a result of their actions.  I'm also tired of the profanity some casually use in line or on the lift.  I call them on their actions.  Maybe some day one of them will follow me, but I won't go down without a fight.

post #69 of 225

Another geezer chimes in: A***holes are A***holes - regardless of the paraphernalia, and I really haven't seen any valid data supporting the statement that one demographic has more A**hoes than any other. Haven't been able to think of an A**hole solution, though.  I would say, however, that those of you mentioning guns, even just jokingly, are really not helping at all - probably making it worse.  

post #70 of 225
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

...OMG. 

Does this make anyone here want to buy these skis?


Someone hasn't seen VolantAddict's quiver.....

 

post #71 of 225

I've been one of those geezers.  Kid (on skis) nearly nailed my wife on a black diamond, then me, then blew across a kid-crouded traverse, totally hootin' it up, totally out of control.  He weighed at least 190.  I caught up with him at the lift line.  It was clear he thought he was the man, but I let him know he was NOT the man, and that he ought to take a lesson before he killed somebody.  I wasn't profane, but I was insulting, and shouting, and I got some pretty wry looks from the line.  

 

Didn't punch him, but I should have been more controlled -- it would have been more effective.  Maybe I had a right to be mad, but I bet my being mad and insulting him in public only made him mad.  "Damn geezer.  Mind your own business.  Who do you think you are?" kind of thing.  He'd be wrong, obviously.  It was my business, since it was my wife and me he almost hit, and there's the public responsibility (for other skiers), but if my purpose was to educate him, I think I failed.

post #72 of 225

A snowboarding snail cuts off a skiing turtle. The turtles catches up to him in the lift line and a fight ensues. The cop are called and witness are question.

What happened: " Not sure , it all happened so fast".

 

The real question is would a young punk rather brag about beating up an old guy or crawl home and tell his momma some old dude beat the crap out of him?

post #73 of 225

Young people that try to pick on older folks because they see them as weak are the worst kind of scum in my opinion. I love it when an older person sticks up for themselves, like this guy...

 

 

Don't mess with the old people!

 

Some boarders do try to be "thugs". It give all boarders a bad name.

post #74 of 225

Dude doesn't realize just how stupid fighting on the ski hill is. If, while he's pounding away and owning some old man anyone else decided to intervene and say.. took off their skis and took a good swipe at the back of the punks neck, fight over, snowboard career over, ability to ever walk again over, and possibly life over.  However, better be sure you really care for the person getting beat up because that's assault with a deadly weapon and defending a friend ain't enough.  It's gotta be immediate family to qualify for self defense.

post #75 of 225

and you get banned from the mountain for at least a season and maybe for life. At least in my world.

post #76 of 225

so being apart of alot of first chair line ups though out the years I have seen and even been a part of some stuff like this.

 

3 season ago on Stowe powder day I had legit first chair. after the line was dozens deep some short little punk of a guy who we shall call robo turner(he make the same pivot slip turn that stinks over and over again) walks up to the front of the line, and drops his skis right in of mine. Me and the other first chairs were like no way dude. The guys starts giving us the staredown till eventually the crowd just started to boo him. I would have had to back down as I think getting physical with a guest even out of uniform is very much uncool in stowe's eye.

 

there ino moral of this story besides some people are just mean IRL....

post #77 of 225
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there ino moral of this story besides some people are just mean IRL....

 

"Some people are just like their Internet personas'?

post #78 of 225
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post
 

 

"Some people are just like their Internet personas'?

 

 

and some people are nothing like theirs.

post #79 of 225
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and some people are nothing like theirs.

That's me I am usually never like myself which manifest out of a mutil-personality thing. I do however really like myself unless I don't.

post #80 of 225
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"Some people are just like their Internet personas'?

 

 

there was no point I was in the wrong anywhere with that guy....

post #81 of 225
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 

 

there was no point I was in the wrong anywhere with that guy....


As a resort employee couldn't you, and the lifites if they were there yet, have reported the incident to the patrol and/or resort management and had the guy kicked off the mountain for blatantly cutting the line and trying to instigate a fight?

post #82 of 225
I remember this stuff going on where I USED TO ski...

Now, I either give them the damn chair (guess what, here comes another one! Although I have been known to make remarks..), or on the hill, leave for the day. I've been known to stop and wait for a break in traffic. And occasionally to wait, whoa, a full MINUTE, OMG!
post #83 of 225
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

so being apart of alot of first chair line ups though out the years I have seen and even been a part of some stuff like this.

 

3 season ago on Stowe powder day I had legit first chair. after the line was dozens deep some short little punk of a guy who we shall call robo turner(he make the same pivot slip turn that stinks over and over again) walks up to the front of the line, and drops his skis right in of mine. Me and the other first chairs were like no way dude. The guys starts giving us the staredown till eventually the crowd just started to boo him. I would have had to back down as I think getting physical with a guest even out of uniform is very much uncool in stowe's eye.

 

there ino moral of this story besides some people are just mean IRL....

 

Did the guy end up getting 1st chair or did all the booing work? Im not into fighting but I am into justice!!!!

post #84 of 225
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 

 

there was no point I was in the wrong anywhere with that guy....

 

 

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As a resort employee couldn't you, and the lifites if they were there yet, have reported the incident to the patrol and/or resort management and had the guy kicked off the mountain for blatantly cutting the line and trying to instigate a fight?

 

One other thought is that if you are really that much better than the jerk, let him have the chair ahead. Then, follow him after he gets off, ski across his skis, and poach his line at first tracks.  Pretty sure he wouldn't catch you if you took off in to the trees Josh.

post #85 of 225
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As a resort employee couldn't you, and the lifites if they were there yet, have reported the incident to the patrol and/or resort management and had the guy kicked off the mountain for blatantly cutting the line and trying to instigate a fight?

I'm not sure about the employee expectations at Stowe, but at Northstar, we're expected to do anything possible to enhance the guest experience.  Sometimes that means stepping back and letting the guest go in front of you. 

 

Could Josh report the guy?  Sure.

I'm guessing that it wasn't as simple as reporting the guy or just trying to avoid an altercation. 

 

All of this sounds like KT22 on a powder day. 

post #86 of 225
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

I'm not sure about the employee expectations at Stowe, but at Northstar, we're expected to do anything possible to enhance the guest experience.  Sometimes that means stepping back and letting the guest go in front of you. 

 

Yes, but what about the other "guests" that were to ride the same first chair as Josh, and all those behind Josh already in line ahead of said idiot?  It wasn't enhancing their experience having that idiot cut in front of them was it? Idiot probably cuts lines all the time until someone puts an end to it and his skiing privileges.

post #87 of 225
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

Yes, but what about the other "guests" that were to ride the same first chair as Josh, and all those behind Josh already in line ahead of said idiot?  It wasn't enhancing their experience having that idiot cut in front of them was it? Idiot probably cuts lines all the time until someone puts an end to it and his skiing privileges.

I would probably get the guys name and make a call. 

I may have the liftie call security.  

The reality sucks but guys like that usually get their way because nice guests let it go.  Getting first chair is a first world problem. 

post #88 of 225

Young guy- Fn'A me first bro!

Old guy-Stay Calm everything will be ok.

A correlation of A-holes to pop. density.

post #89 of 225

the guy basically got booed to the back of the line. He was reported after the fact. I sure as hell was not going to leave my spot, and realize that despite being an employe i was in plain clothes, but the majority of locals know I teach here for better and worse I am glad they stood up for me that day though.

 

Ill be honest I have picked verbal fights with people smoking(cigerates) on the chairlifts or gondi cars, and  reported them when I can. I simply hate the smell and every single one of them litters it against our policy at stowe. Its might be the only time I go out of my way to say something to a guest and only in plain clothes.  I also do not care for pot smoking and literally have had snowboarder get on the gondi with me because it looked like I would smoke with him to ask him please do not light up, only to get him freaking out when he couldnt not get high. 

post #90 of 225

I still can't possibly understand how there can be so much anger within a recreational activity that brings the rest of us so much joy. I don't know about you guys, but when I'm out there on the snow, I'm on Cloud 9 and can let a lot of stuff slide, even the occasional line cutter.


I mean, I can understand somebody getting pissed when someone mows over their child, then takes off without so much as an apology. But, it seems that so many ski hill altercations are over the stupidest things. What is wrong with some people?! Reelax mon!

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