I just unsubscribed from this thread and put all emails from epicski.com in my spam folder because the only thing that any one is talking about on here is the validity of my logic. This isn't a college course on debate or rhetoric. It's a talk about the best places to go skiiing/snowboarding.
I'm wrong? Perhaps you didn't comprehend what they said. And perhaps you could try to actually contribute to the discussion by naming a long powder run.
- Yes they did say Aspen was a big mountain. They argued with me when I said it was tiny, many times. Derrrrr. It's a tiny mountain.
- I'm not a local so I don't call things "Aspen Area" because to go from Aspen to Vail only takes 1 hour 51min according to Google maps, which is closer than Squaw to Heavenly. So I wouldn't call anything the Aspen area, it's just not a big enough town to have earned its own metropolitan area. And why should it be called Aspen when it's the smallest mountain? That's contradictory. It should be called Snowmass and some other dinky little kiddy mountains. I'll just call it all "the Vail area" and say don't go to Aspen.
- yes, they did say the videos suck, they also said there were better ones, but nobody ever posted a better one? the one of the guy skiiing in waist deep was kinda cool, but the actual angles of photography and shots were rather below average, and it was very short, so again everyone's just talking out of their elbows with little to no substance, including you
- yes, many people said Aspen was the best if you scroll back.... reading is a good thing
- sure, you can say anytihng in your attempt to negate my logic and what I said, arguing the logic instead of the validity of my comments... KT-22 is not enjoyable for ANYONE, if they tell you that they are lying, hardly anyone rides it even and its not even open most of the time because its just a death wish waiting to happen, the Japanese mountain looked interesting but it doesn't have any pine trees and it seems rather bumpy under the powder, the rides didn't seem smooth like the ones at Vail...
I've heard very little about Whister as well, perhaps most of you haven't been there, but from the videos it seems like an advanced mountain with very few long cruising trails.
Here's what I think. None of you have ever been out of Kansas and don't know a thing about Whistler, Aspen, Vail, Squaw, or Japan. That's why there is a real lack of anyone naming any trails or secret spots other than the really obvious ones like KT-22 that has been heavily advertised. You are all internet skiers rather than snow skiers. I've not heard of a single recommendation for a specific part or run that migh be enjoyable to the average skier/snowboarder.
You're clearly a troll, and have no idea about Squaw, nor Vail, nor Whistler. So it's actually you who's just generating noise in this thread.
Not for you, but for others in this forum, here's my attempt at adding some signal to this noisy thread:
Among resorts mentioned, I've skied Whistler, Vail, Squaw (and almost all other Tahoe resorts, except Mt Rose). I can ski all single blacks in those resorts, and some double blacks.
Squaw certainly has much less to offer than Vail or Whistler for intermediate skiers - as Whistler and Vail have a lot more number of intermediate runs than Squaw. That's not to say Squaw is not enough - Squaw would certainly be good enough for any intermediate. It's just Vail and Whistler have more to offer.
Almost all chairs of Vail have intermediate runs off of them. So intermediate skiers can go anywhere and find something they can enjoy. Some of "black" runs in Vail would be easily considered "blue" in Squaw or Whistler, so there's a lot more intermediate runs at Vail than the simple statistics. Naturally, more remote areas like Inner/Outer Mongolia at Vail have very little crowd (thus powder lasts more).
At Whistler, intermediate skiers will enjoy 7th Heaven, and Symphony, among others. Those chairs provide many different mellow, long runs, with possibility of powder. Blackcomb Glacier is also excellent for intermediate skiers. If you're an intermediate skier and visiting Whistler (or if you enjoy doing a few 50+ mph carving runs on a fresh carpet), I highly recommend doing Fresh Tracks Mountain Top Breakfast - it's basically a way to buy multiple fresh carpet runs in the morning (along with breakfast). You'll be able to do 4-5 runs on freshly groomed carpets before the first morning crowd can even show up at the top. For advanced, Peak chair on Whistler side has a lot to offer (similar to Kirkwood in terrain feel, and as large as the entire frontside of Kirkwood) as well as Harmony (has excellent bumps - it's like Shirley at Squaw except a bit steeper, maybe ~3x longer and 10x area of the entire Shirley Lake area, with many small bowls with cornices). On Blackcomb side, besides the Glacier, Secret Bowl area is nice.
If you want powder in a mellow terrain, Vail is the best among three. Any of the backside bowls in Vail would be fine for intermediate skiers, and powder will hold longer thanks to the altitude. Whistler weather can be hit or miss - they can get wet snow, fog, rain, if you're not lucky. Whistler's lower third often will be wet/heavy snow, or icy. It's not necessarily a bad thing if you know how to carve.
Whistler has much longer run - because it has more vertical and horizontal. But if you're intermediate, you shouldn't care, since you won't be able to do it in a single continuous run anyway. Vail has long enough runs. Squaw has long enough runs. But if the pure length is the measure, Whistler wins handily.
For an expert skier (i.e. single blacks don't get you excited or heart pumping), Vail is simply not in the same league as Whistler or Squaw. Vail just doesn't have steep terrains to compete with those two. PPL line at Vail is a lot of fun, but not "scary" or "exciting" like West Face / Chute 75 at Squaw (still my favorites) or Piccolo Face / Cougar Chute / Whistler Bowl / West Bowl / Blow Hole at Whistler (all of which I skied). Lover's Leap or other cornices at Vail can be exciting. But not scary enough to stop me from trying. Both Squaw and Whistler have so many runs I'm just too scared to try, and likely never will try in my lifetime.
Vail's town is way bigger, has more restaurants and shops than Whistler. Whistler's not bad, but Vail clearly has an upper hand there.
Edited by skispark - 1/23/15 at 12:17am