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I sure would have welcomed some technology to keep me in my lane, dirving trough a few storms last winter.  I found myself encroaching the left shoulder a couple of times when the highway returned after disappearing in a white out for a minute or two.   I suppose that's better than ending up in the ditch, and beter than getting rear ended by a transport truck in the middle of nowhere.   I also suppose I could have stayed home, but where's the fun in that.


PS.  I'm getting too old for that s**t.

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Originally Posted by smithers View Post


I had the understanding that 4 low is not the right mode for driving in ice or going up icy inclines.  More of a tool for deep snow or sand.

 covered most of this.  I don't use 4lo in general I-70 or pass driving because I have lower differential gears to compensate for larger tires (5.29:1) and an inline 6 engine that has a ton of compression braking, so first gear is effectively very "low" and I'm not usually lower than 2nd.

In any case, gearing is the mechanical drivetrain basis for traction, because it is the master function for multiplying and applying torque.  Being in 4lo to go up an icy hill allows far greater throttle control (I actually have a hand throttle that is very useful for starting on a steep grade with no rearward roll), and that is what keeps tires from slipping.  The descent control is incredible - in the vid I posted I took my foot off the brake and don't exceed 1 mph down a 14% grade.  If you aren't on the brakes, they can't lock.

I'm not necessarily a Luddite on this stuff - it's more a recognition that all of the electronic stuff attempts to mimic what was formerly mechanical traction.  It does some things exceptionally well, like modulating differential torque distribution via the brakes at higher speeds, and some things exceptionally poorly, like putting on the brakes at all four corners at slow speeds when all the tires have low traction.  But there is no electronic substitute for gearing.  They try to create descent control by deactivating engine cylinders, etc., but gearing is a mechanical application of torque (and in compression braking a resistance to acclerating) that has no substitute.

I am in 4lo here for sure - this was in November after coming back to my neighborhood after a ski day.  It is almost never this icy here, but we had a the ridiculous warm November and then first heavy snow on warm pavement. I was just out to get a beer with the mrs and then check on conditions. I stopped midway up that 14% grade (not pictured below), which had been the site of many accidents, and then tested to see what it took to restart on that kind of ice on that steep of a grade. It was definitely low range and all three diffs locked.

post #453 of 455

On my first pair of snow tires, first season not in Denver!!!


Rocking Nokian Hakka R2 SUV's on my 4X4 Dodge Dakota.  The increase in traction and shorter braking distance are amazing.  Don't know how they stack up to other brands yet or how they wear but I do put a lot of clear highway miles on them so it'll be interesting to see how they hold up.


I did notice when buying them that the Nokians and the cheapo tires had a higher load rating than the Michelins and Goodyears which factored slightly into my decision.  A higher load rating will handle better under speed plus with friends, ski gear, snow/ice buildup, and sandbags in the bed I tend to drive with heavier loads in the winter than in the summer.


If you're undecided about winter tires DO IT!

post #454 of 455

I went from Blizzaks last season to Geolandar A/T G015 this season. They didn't have my exact tire size so they're a bit of an extreme fitment for my Forester.

The updated Geolandars came out last spring so I was curious how they would do in ice and snow. They were great all summer all over the mountains, dirt trails, gravel, mud, etc.


A lot of snow days so far in Colorado this year, I have to say I'm pretty impressed by the tire. Not as nearly as great as my Blizzaks on ice, but they're fantastic for all-terrain tires with a severe snow rating.


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Just got back from vacationing in The Bahamas.  Seems like some of our old snow tires end up getting sold as used tires in other countries because I definitely ran across multiple cars with full on winter rated tires in the streets of Nassau.  

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