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Blizzard Mag 8.5ti vs. Atomic Nomad Crimson Ti

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Thread Starter 

Hi all, Just looking for a quick comparison between the two in regards to my needs.

 

   Me: 6'1, 180lbs, 56 yrs young, strong,athletic, good shape, former high school racer, aggressive high speed carver on groomed but always looking for(prefer) fresh and/or off piste, don't seek out moguls much anymore, but competent when they're there. These will be used for my every day driver almost entirely in the midwest with trips to Jackson and Utah. Really looking for a great ripping carver with no speed limit that is a riot in crud and fresh up to foot or so.

   I already have a great pair of Blizzard "ice skates" for the bullet proof days and if there happens to be a dump of any size when I'm out west I'll demo some fatties. So not needing anything wider than mid 80's or so.

   From what I have researched, the Blizzards seem exactly what I'm looking for, but, I can get a pair of Nomads w/binders for nearly 500 bucks less than what I would drop for the 8.5's w/binders, thus my dilemma. My heart was kind of set on the Blizzards but the price point of the Atomics makes me pause. Can someone point me one way or the other? Thanks!

 

                        Joel 

post #2 of 12
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Originally Posted by flog57 View Post
 

Hi all, Just looking for a quick comparison between the two in regards to my needs.

 

   Me: 6'1, 180lbs, 56 yrs young, strong,athletic, good shape, former high school racer, aggressive high speed carver on groomed but always looking for(prefer) fresh and/or off piste, don't seek out moguls much anymore, but competent when they're there. These will be used for my every day driver almost entirely in the midwest with trips to Jackson and Utah. Really looking for a great ripping carver with no speed limit that is a riot in crud and fresh up to foot or so.

   I already have a great pair of Blizzard "ice skates" for the bullet proof days and if there happens to be a dump of any size when I'm out west I'll demo some fatties. So not needing anything wider than mid 80's or so.

   From what I have researched, the Blizzards seem exactly what I'm looking for, but, I can get a pair of Nomads w/binders for nearly 500 bucks less than what I would drop for the 8.5's w/binders, thus my dilemma. My heart was kind of set on the Blizzards but the price point of the Atomics makes me pause. Can someone point me one way or the other? Thanks!

 

                        Joel 

 

The great ripping carver part of this sentence to some extent negates the qualifications necessary for the second part. What I mean by this is that neither ski you mention is exactly a "GRC" nor is either is as versatile as any number of slightly wider offerings. Between the two, the Magnum is a touch more versatile than the older Crimson although the new one is a different story.

 

I'm wondering though, why do you feel the need for the GRC? If you have a pair of skates, then you have your GRC. I'd be looking for something that will serve you better in the crud and mixed and the new version of the Crimson as well as the Blizzard Brahma are two skis that might mate better with what you have than either of the other two.

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Thread Starter 

  Thanks for the reply, Jim.

  I kind of knew I'd get that response when I wrote that sentence, but it's still what I'm looking for. The reason the skates don't fill that need is that they're Mag slaloms and are great carvers to be sure, but, between the turn radius and twitchy shortness of them, can be a handful in some of the wetter, heavier, setup, tracked up crud that developes here in the MW, that I actually really like to ski in. Bumps are also not their favorite terrain.

  Since "off piste" and crud/fresh are more rarities here than I would like to admit, it would be a great loss to my versatility/enjoyment of the ski if hard snow groomer performance was compromised to any great degree. That being said, I do hunt for any and all relatively untracked stuff I can find wherever I am skiing and will take a day off and drive three hours to get to a good storm. Thus, another part of the dilemma. A more cheater GS turn radius(18 to 22) would be attractive as well. Perhaps I've been barking up the wrong tree to begin with with the  8.5? Any further input would be much appreciated. Thanks again, Joel

post #4 of 12

What was interesting about the Atomics is that for me, they seemed better in a bit of crud than on piste. It didn't reach out and grab me as 'this would be a fun bump ski', but I'm sure it can be done. I liked the 8.5ti, but it did seem to have a speed limit even in the longer length, though it'd make a great teaching ski. I'd think a Brahma or even a Steadfast would be better given what you already have to ski on.

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Thread Starter 

Wow, thanks for that bit of info! In all the looking around I've done, the speed limit issue has never come up and it is a central concern of mine. Do you think it could've had anything to do with the tune or something extraneous like that or was it a basic "this doesn't like going this fast" instability developement as speed increased? What did you notice in particular? Thanks again.

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I think it's because I'm 6', 205lbs and had just skied on a cheater GS ski for the previous 2-3 runs! Thanks for the question. It helped he recall the basis of the opinion which is also colored by my daily ski, the Rossi E-98. Same edge hold, maybe even better, and generally more versatile for our venue.

That said,I preferred the 8.5 to the 2014 Atomic Crimson.
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by flog57 View Post
 

  Thanks for the reply, Jim.

  I kind of knew I'd get that response when I wrote that sentence, but it's still what I'm looking for. 

 

 

Perhaps I've been barking up the wrong tree to begin with with the  8.5? Any further input would be much appreciated. Thanks again, Joel

 

I don't think that you are necessarily barking up the wrong tree with the Mag 8.5. It is a very good ski for what you are really going to do but the thing is, it's not what you asked for in that first sentence. For it's category, it is a nice ski for hard snow but "great ripping carver" it isn't. I owned an 8.5 all last year and skied it a fair bit in January (no snow). As January rolled into Feb and then into March and it still didn't snow, I found myself drifting more towards other skis. The Head Magnum and Dynastar Course Ti were what I skied the most but as I started to consider buying the Stockli brand I skied on those quite a bit too. All those fit the "GRC" mold better than the 8.5.

 

My fear is that if the GRC thing is what you are really expecting, then you would likely be dissapointed in the grip and power of the 85-88mm skis. They simply compromise by comparison to the real carvers. If you can understand and accept that compromise then great, that 8.5 is a good choice. There are two possible exceptions in that width range that you might consider. One is the Nordica FA 84 EDT and the other is Kastle MX 88. Both of those will offer grip and power at crossunder that will at least approach "GRC" status. Neither however has the same level of soft snow versatility as the 8.5, and both are fairly pricey skis.

 

I know what you want but you are going to have to accept some compromise and you'll have to decide which end of the performance range you are willing to give up a little.

post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 

   Thanks for the reality check, Jim. If it's only a little I give up in carving then I think I will deal with that fine, as long as I can work the ski on hard snow and get some g force jollies when I'm stuck there, I will take more fun and versatility in other conditions with minimal whining. I guess what I'm most afraid of is finding that I have to be "careful" if I attack the fall line and  trepiditious about commiting to angles. If that doesn't seem likely in your experienace with the 8.5's, I'll probably pull the trigger.

   Since you  brought up the Stocklis :-), I've alson heard great things about the new Stormriders in regard to grip and versatility. Would any of those, (even though they're  wider) fit my somewhat hopeful parameters and give me even better variable conditions performance? Just stirrin' the pot and wonderin'. Thanks, Joel

post #9 of 12

I agree with the F.A.84 EDT: "fat" power carver with great edge grip: but demand a bit more for trees and a lot more for bumps...

There is also the Elan amphibio 88xti that I could call the most versatile GRC ( or MVGRC :D) that is a really nice ripper (near the 84edt) but with versatility: nice in trees and in bumps too...Alto, for me, it demanded a little adjustment in bumps because the bindings on these skis are more toward the tips than usual...but if you buy them with bindings system... Bought mine flat and don't want to move the bindings because they carve so nicely at the present position... Of all my skis, if I woud have to choose a 1-ski quiver, it would be them...

post #10 of 12

Flog:

 

I think the SR 95 is the best of that width range on hard snow and probably by quite some little bit. I didn't ski it back to back vs. the Mag 8.5 however. The SR is for sure not as quick or nimble feeling as the 85-88 mm crowd, however it does have a pretty strong crossunder feel due to the flattish tail. IMO, as an "almost" GRC, I don't think that's the answer as it is just more of an all mountain feel than the 85-88s. Great ski but again not what you asked for originally. FWIW.......Stockli does not at this point have a really strong metal layup 85-88mm ski. If there were an SR 85 with the build of the 95 that might be a good call but there just isn't a ski like that in their lineup.

 

SJ

post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 

   Thanks Mogsie and Jim! More to think about. I really wish I had an extensive demo area near me to help sort this out, but, even a few hours away will not get me on the Elans or the 8.5's for that matter. I may just have to take a leap of faith in the near future, hopefully without ragdolling on the landing.... If anyone has more input, please feel free. I am coming to the conclusion that there are no certain answers for me and I'll just have to make my choice and see. At least I have a better idea of what to expect and look for. Thanks again, Joel.

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I think Mantra when I read your description. But, I'm wondering if the real question is a bit of: how/where you wish to ski, versus how/where you really ski - which makes me lean in other directions. You have pretty small hills. I don't think anything you'd pick for that area would be that great out west, IMO, at least the way you describe how you want to ski. Brahma, Magnum 8.5ti, etc.. not what I'd pick for a one-ski-quiver for trips out west for a 'riot in crud and a foot of fresh'. I think you need to pick one or the other, otherwise your answer will be fraught with pretty big compromises. I also think you need to describe what you mean by a 'riot in crud and a foot of fresh'. Some people's version of 'riot' is blast through soft snow and crud at 40-50mph, others' version of 'riot' is to pop around off of various piles, airing as much as possible, and another version of 'riot' would be manueverable, easy going, and keeping your legs as fresh as possible. The Mantra fits the first description, and you generally won't find one that fits the last description that also fits the new acronym, 'GRC'.

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