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post #31 of 46
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Originally Posted by ToolArmy5 View Post
 

I ordered both the 180 and 188...trust me....when you line the center lines up against each other the additional 4 inches is all at the tail....interestingly enough the 188 has a -2 circled at 2 cm back where the 180 does not...i presume this means where the new center should be mounted


Nice info to pass on . . . thanks.

post #32 of 46

Given this issue, I just bought a pair of 2016 188's. Does anyone know if the new 188's mount line has been moved back by Rossi?

post #33 of 46
Playing with mount points on a fully rockered ski like the s7 is often a bad idea. Mount them on on the line, unless they have multiple mount points from the factory. You don't want to mount back and have a wheelie machine.
If you have an Indy ski messing with the mount point might be worth while, but the s7? Not worth it.

I would also be careful about lining up the skis and making mount comparisons without looking at them from the side and seeing what the core profile looks like.
Edited by clink83 - 1/20/16 at 11:28am
post #34 of 46
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Originally Posted by jenaniston View Post


Nice info to pass on . . . thanks.

Yes, this is true. It's weird. Can't figure out why they'd design 8cm aft of the mounting point
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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

Playing with mount points on a fully rockered ski like the s7 is often a bad idea. Mount them on on the line, unless they have multiple mount points from the factory. You don't want to mount back and have a wheelie machine.
If you have an Indy ski messing with the mount point might be worth while, but the s7? Not worth it.

I would also be careful about lining up the skis and making mount comparisons without looking at them from the side and seeing what the core profile looks like.

There's no problem mounting the current 188 S7 back. Rossi even added a -2 graphic that wasn't in the first year's production. The 180 seems to fine at 0.
post #35 of 46
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Originally Posted by Ribs View Post

Given this issue, I just bought a pair of 2016 188's. Does anyone know if the new 188's mount line has been moved back by Rossi?

Not that I know of. Can check tomorrow.
post #36 of 46
Thanks. Yes, if you could check, that would be great.
post #37 of 46

This Blister review talks about the mount point in some detail

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/3rd-look-rossignol-soul-7

If you're wondering if the mount point is located correctly on the top sheet your shop should be able to measure that the mounting line is the proper distance from the tail, per the shop manual.

post #38 of 46

I have a pair of 188 Soul 7s that were mounted on the line for alpine skiing.  I switched the binding for a Diamer Vipec tech touring binding and the mount was moved to the back line.  I did notice the difference, but was undecided about which I preferred.  I have much more time on the center mount.  It seemed like the rear mount made the ski a bit better in powder.  It also made it possible to really work the front of the ski by moving forward into the turns.  When I made the strong forward move on the center mount, I sometimes felt like I was over pressuring the tips.  I noticed that I could ski more dynamically with the rear mount point than the center mount point.

post #39 of 46
The 188 mount points are pretty far forward even compared to the 180.
post #40 of 46

I know this thread is old, but I have just purchased a pair of 188 cm 2015/2016 Soul 7s.  Indeed, when you lay the 180 and the 188 on the ground next to each other with the "All Mountain" lines next to each other, the tips of the two skis are lined up and the 188 has all of its extra 8 cm in the tail.  They both do have a "Freeride" line that is 2 cm behind the all mountain one.

 

This surprised both the Christy Sports' tech and the guy at Powder7.  They agreed that when you lay them next to each other like that, it looks odd.

 

Has anyone heard definitively about this from Rossi?

 

One poster above said he mounted the front line for alpine and -2cm for touring and noticed a difference.  His comment on being able to drive the tip when mounted back is very interesting.


These are my soft snow skis (180 cm Blizzard Brahma for front side) and I loved them for their ease of turning in the trees.

 

Any thoughts on the impacts of either of the two mounting points?

post #41 of 46

Aha!  Just heard this from a local Rossi rep via Zack at Powder7.com:

 

"In our tech manual we state to mount at -2 for freeride (faster, more aggressive) style of skiing.  We suggest being on the line for more all mtn resort skiing.  I’ve skied this ski a bunch at 0, -1, -2, and I would never say to mount further back than -2.  The ski is sluggish, nonresponsive, and difficult to turn at -3.  At -2 (my backcountry ski is mounted at -2) the ski floats better in soft snow and kick turns a little easier.  At 0 the ski is quick and much more energetic. 

 

Here’s the thing….the distance from the tip of the ski to the mount line dictates how easy the ski is to get into a turn, thus how responsive the ski is.  The tail to mount line doesn’t really come into play due to the amount of rocker.  We build skis off a reference size and then build the line out from there.  In the Soul 7 the reference ski was the 180cm.  I don’t know this for sure, but I will guess that if you measure contact point to contact point the length is similar in both sizes.  I do know that most of the length changes in the skis are differences in the Air tip and tail sections, which are off the snow most of the time."

post #42 of 46
The S series have two mount lines in the top sheet. The freestyle line is roughly 2 cm forward of the directional line. Rossi recommends the rear line for (drumroll) directional skiing. I've mounted several from the S7 through the current Super 7, all on the rear (-2) line, and have been very happy. A shop made a mistake on a pair of Super 7's for me, mounted on forward line, I skied it, brought it back, they moved it -2. Which was definitely better. But I rarely ski switch and do not challenge bumps on a 116 ski, so ....
post #43 of 46

I'm not sure this contradicts what you said, but the terms are a little different.

 

When I looked at the ski, the line toward the front was labeled "All Mountain."  The line toward the rear was labeled "freeride."

 

From what I know (and it may not be much - and I'm not a pro) mounting farther forward makes the ski quicker.  For park riding, it seems you'd want it as close to the center as possible so the swing weight is balanced.  For aggressive, fast skiing (directional?) you'd want it farther back for stability.

 

I'm leaning toward 1 cm behind the "All Mountain" line.  I will give up a (tiny) bit of quickness in the trees in return for a (tiny) bit more stability at speed.

 

Sound like correct thinking?

 

My reasoning: if I wanted to kill the mountain, I'd get a pair of Chochises.  But I want to turn quickly in the trees and will only be going fast back to the lift.  But as I get used to the skis, I won't need the help of the ski as much and will want that little bit more stability.

post #44 of 46

I did the experience a couple of week ago with the 180 and 188 soul 7 and saw the same thing but also, I compared them with another ski (Ithink it was the Pinnacle 105) and the line of the 180 soul 7 and Pinnacle (which is also a tip tail rocker) where similar but not the 188 soul 7... BTW, I prefered the Pinnacle 105 to the Soul 7

post #45 of 46

Have not a new pair, maybe they've changed the terminology. Factory rep a couple of years ago gave me the -2 advice, the lines were not labeled, it was just understood and confirmed by factory (which I also queried). Unclear why the forward line would now be "all mountain," but "freeride" does not mean "freestyle." Latter would be associated with a forward mount, terrain parks, bumps;, former with a rear mount and charging through soft snow, taking air on backside features, etc.

 

Forget words: Further back gives more directional stability, further forward gives more playfulness and makes initiation easier. Although it also has to do with your stance: Further forward gives you more tip pressure automatically, yet paradoxically will allow you to sit back more. Which many do. Further back will ask you to lean forward more into the tips, will be less forgiving of backseating. So a forward mount is more forgiving, but can instill bad habits. YMMV. 

post #46 of 46

I have two pairs of the new Soul 7 HD for 2017 sitting on the bench right now. One is the 172 and other is 180. I am finding a similar thing here where the factory recommended All Mountain lines sit in exactly the same place when the tails are lined up evenly,  the 8cm difference is all in the tip of the 180. But as mentioned earlier here the difference is in the tail when you compare the 188 to the 180. I am surprised the mounting point isn't evenly spit as the length changes. So on one size you stand more on the shovel and the other you stand more on the tail. How does this all work out?

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