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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

Hello, I'm buying my first new pair of skis in 10 years and I was hoping to gain some advice and perspective here. Basically I've been skiing dynastar skis (66 waist, 154 length, no idea the model) since high school, now that I'm back out of college and in the north east again I've been skiing a bunch more and have realized just how much i've out-skied my old pair (I demo'd bigger stuff in the 80-90mm range and the difference was so incredible it made me feel like a completely new skier). I can ski pretty much the entire frontside of the mountain out east, and i've been wanting to/trying to get a bit more off piste and into glades and heavier stuff (as much as the east coast allows). Given this, I'm hoping to get a bigger all-mountain ski. Any and all recommendations would be welcome, but based on some online deals and reviews, I've been looking at the two models below.

 

About Me: 5' 4", 132 lbs

 

1) Nordica Burner's at 162 (the idea of being able to buy skins and AT bindings at some point appeals to me, but I would definitely be skiing downhill the vast majority of the time)

 

2) Blizzard Bushwacker (can't decide between 159 and 166 but leaning 166)

 

Thanks so much!

-Sam

post #2 of 19

Lots of good choices in this category and I'm sure you'll get some good recommendations. Obviously, demoing if you can is always the best idea.

 

I haven't really skied Nordica's line so I can't comment. However, the Bushwacker may not be the best choice if most of what you're skiing (realistically) is east coast groomers. It's a little soft and the turning radius is a little long for a groomer ski. That said, I don't think the (stiffer) Brahma is a good choice, either, at your size. I'm just a few inches taller than you but 30 pounds heavier and I thought the Brahma was very demanding in bumps and off trail.

 

Check out the Head Rev 85. It's absurdly easy to ski, carves well, and has an early rise tip which will help you off-piste when east coast conditions allow. The 163 should fit you really well. Just a solid, versatile ski.

post #3 of 19

Take a look at the Dynastar Outland 87, 165 cm. It is a fabulous ski for Eastern conditions. Good luck.

post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks so much for the input guys. A big reason i looked at the blizzard was that I found a 2011/12 model for $250 online. Given my finances aren't the biggest, I guess I'm wondering is it worth the extra $300-400 for heads or dynastars. I know, kinda a personal question, but do you guys think the difference between the bushwhackers and the revs/outlander is worth the money? Thanks again for all the help!

post #5 of 19

if money is an issue, look here:

http://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/scott-crusade-2012.aspx

 

Or here:

http://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/rossignol-experience-83.aspx#image=65351/317897/rossignol-experience-83-skis-2013.jpg

 

I ski the Scott Crusade, and I find it perfectly adequate for hard snow arcing... and they are good and floaty enough in the trees and fresh.

I've never been on the E83, but the E88 is a great east-coast ski and the whole Experience line gets good reviews.

You'll have to decide if you are more hard-snow/piste oriented or off-piste.  In the East, it's really hard to be a off-piste skier more than, say 30/40% of the time.

post #6 of 19

$250 for the Bushwacker is a pretty good deal. And honestly, it's a really fun ski that you'd probably like a lot. But I do think the Rev 85, Outland 87, E83, etc would be better choices for an east coast one-ski-quiver. 

 

Also, do you have bindings already? If not, you'll need some bindings and if you're buying online plan on spending at least $40 to have them mounted locally.

 

It's always a good idea to check out your local ski shops and see what they can hook you up with in your price range. It seems like local shops are doing a really good job competing with the online sellers these days. You'll probably be surprised.

post #7 of 19

Hey all, I'm really interested to buy 2012 John Crusader 159 cm, Experience 83 160 cm, 2011/2012 Blizzard Bushwacker or 2013 Line Skis Youth 155 cm ( http://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/line-sir-francis-bacon-shorty-youth.aspx#image=57973/291363/line-skis-sir-francis-bacon-shorty-skis-youth-2013.jpg ).

 

I'm about the same size as East Coast, 5'3 and 128 pounds. I'm also on a tight budget. The only difference is I'm from west coast and north of the border. I ski mainly in Whistler and a smaller local mountain in Vancouver, Canada called Cypress. I'm an intermediate, prefer to ski off piste, trees and bumps. I guess my style is freeride. Only been skiing for 2 seasons, 25 days/year. Currently on 2012 Blizzard Magnum 76mm and 156 cm, looking for something better on deep powder and off piste. I'm contemplating to either get a 2nd skis for powder and keep my current skis or buy another all mountain skis for west coast and sell my current skis.

 

Any suggestions which skis will suit me best? Also, any suggestions for the bindings? I'm kind of thinking to try backcountry skiing as well either this coming season or next year, any of those skis can be used for backcountry? Thanks.

post #8 of 19

ooops scott crusade i meant, not john crusader. guess it's time to sleep :)

post #9 of 19

Luvtoski: Of the skis you mention, I've only been on the Scott Crusader.  But I can say this: I see this ski as an all-rounder, not a dedicated powder ski.  That said, I think you could safely sell your current Blizzards if you buy the Scott's -- you will not miss any hard snow performance, given where and what you ski.  To me, the Scott is an all-rounder which happens to be very good at the carve.  Only hard snow issue would be ice or if you are doing mach schnell on long GS turns.

post #10 of 19

You should be able to find close outs on last season's Head Rev 85 pro.

post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by EastCoast617 View Post
 

Thanks so much for the input guys. A big reason i looked at the blizzard was that I found a 2011/12 model for $250 online. Given my finances aren't the biggest, I guess I'm wondering is it worth the extra $300-400 for heads or dynastars. I know, kinda a personal question, but do you guys think the difference between the bushwhackers and the revs/outlander is worth the money? Thanks again for all the help!

 

 

where are 166 bushwacker 250 bucks?

post #12 of 19

2011-12 model year is available at Sierra Trading Post. Priced @ $250, pls shipping. 2012-13 is available at $525, less 30% if you sign up for their dealflyer. So about $370. Site shows 166's available in both. My daughter's roommate bought a pair of Blizz's from them a couple of weeks ago. My daughter said they look perfect, i.e. not "blems". She'd know.  Looks like a great deal.....

post #13 of 19

they are not blems (not that there's anything wrong with that) and are last years blue model. 

post #14 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks again everyone for all the advice, its been incredibly helpful! I took a trip to some local ski shops today and they definitely had some deals, though the selection was more limited. If i can pony up the extra cash, I think i'm leaning towards the E83 ($480 w/ bindings at a local shop). They also had a pair of Rev 75s for $400 and Dynastar Legend 8000 for $350ish. Would the Rev 75s be too thin to get much off trail with? Also, has anyone had any experience with the Legends? They seem to get good reviews online but the shop owner said he really didn't like them. He seemed honest but he could have just been trying to make a bigger sale.

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by EastCoast617 View Post
 

Dynastar Legend 8000 for $350ish. 

 

I am a long-time fan of this line of skis but those are two or three generations and at least five years old. $350 is too much even if brand new with brand new bindings, imo. Also they're very different from the E83s. The Legends are a more off-piste-oriented ski with fairly shallow sidecut. The E83 are a  very turny groomer-oriented ski.

 

It's fine and good to have a budget, but within that budget it's probably still a good idea to focus on a general type of ski, rather than just throwing darts at whatever's in the price range. The first two skis you posted about (Bushwacker and Burner) are similarly disparate, in similar ways.

 

Taking a look at your first post, what I see, reading between the lines a little bit, is someone who in practice will probably be spending 80% of his/her time on east coast groomers. Yes, you want to spend more time in the trees and bumps. Good on ya'. Do that, whenever you can. But "whenever you can" can be "not very often" in the east, depending on exactly where you ski, how committed you are to being in the right place at the right time, and how determined you are to stick it out once you're in there. So, my advice is to take a deep breath and be extremely realistic about what your average (not ideal) day is really going to hold. I suspect if you do that you will decide that a carvier, turnier ski such as one of the REVs or the E83s will suit you well. 

post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 

qcanoe, I think you probably have it right in terms of what I'll ultimately end up skiing. I really just wanted a ski that would let me try getting off-piste a bit more, but on an average day, 80% groomer is probably rather accurate. I got a bit lost in the vast sea of all-mountain skis and various reviews, so its nice to have someone simplify things a bit in terms of what will truly suit my needs. Since I can't seem to find rev 85s for less than 600 anywhere, I think its between the Rev 80s (online, $420) and the E83s (local, $480). Is there any real tangible difference between these two skis that I should take into account, or are they similar enough that preference/price should make the decision? Thanks again to everyone who's helped me with this, I certainly feel like i've avoided a bunch of potential mistakes and will end up with a really good ski for what i need. 

post #17 of 19

For me, another East coast skier, qcanoe is really right on it.  I'm going to postulate (working from reputation only) that E83 will be slightly less demanding and therefore sightly better in bumps/off-piste.  Rev's seem to be more hard-snow, groomer oriented, while E series aims to be a bit more 50/50.  Other folks' thoughts?

post #18 of 19

Deal on the Head Rev 80's w/ bindings at L9.  Act fast:

 

http://www.levelninesports.com/Head-2013-Rev-80-Skis-Wpr-11-Bindings

post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by EastCoast617 View Post
 

 I can't seem to find rev 85s for less than 600 anywhere,

 

I was just shopping for this exact ski recently (ended up with something else, for better or worse). There were a lot of new or lightly used pairs on eBay, with bindings, for between $400 and $500 depending on newness.

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