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Nordica should make a 100 waisted patron....if Josh was a ski designer/open letter to nordica design....

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no I know the soul rider is out there, but its not the same ski, quite frankly I actually just did not like it. I felt the Patron was better on groomers due to being torsional stiffer.  I literally want a nordica patron rocker profile/stiffness/torsional stiffness in 130/100/119  vs the soul riders 134/97/124 and entirely different rocker profile. If it sound like I am grasping straws here I kinda of am. Maybe with metal laminate like the helldorado or partial metal laminate like the Line P90s......  There is currently not a ski on the market in the 100mm waist range I love for east coast tree skiing/all around east coast tree skiing I feel this skis would excel at it.

 

Nordica if you make this skis I think is should be called the Eagle Warrior with Mezo american graphics like the 2013 Patron, this keeps with your mezo/spanish american theme and I have graphics picked out for you and everything....

 

here is your graphic..

 

post #2 of 24

No love for the Vagabond, or does it need a tail re-design for you? Or maybe a re-introduction of a 100mm Enforcer. :)

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Look across the hall, the 104 waisted Peacemaker. IMHO, while I like the Patron/Helldo/La Niña/Unleashed family, I wouldn't go down to the 100mm option, I'd redesign the tail to 1/3-1/2 as much rise to give it a slightly longer wheelbase without loosing its nimbleness. At 100mm, I'd bring the vagabond/el capo/wildfire mold to that width..that ski would give the Bonafide a run for its money.
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Look across the hall, the 104 waisted Peacemaker. IMHO, while I like the Patron/Helldo/La Niña/Unleashed family, I wouldn't go down to the 100mm option, I'd redesign the tail to 1/3-1/2 as much rise to give it a slightly longer wheelbase without loosing its nimbleness. At 100mm, I'd bring the vagabond/el capo/wildfire mold to that width..that ski would give the Bonafide a run for its money.

 

I am looking for a twin, the old twined enforcer was WAY to stiff and could not ski soft snow, the flat tail one was better but no where near as fun and playful as the patron.

 

I have yet to ski the El capo, the peacemaker was MEH I kinda of did not like that ski at all.........

 

I really really loved the patron, I basically want that skis in skinnier verison for not so epic day...

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Sounds good... I agree. While the Patron is a bit light for my tastes, it is very much as you describe... love it's ability to arc at high angles on piste and it's general versatility for a relatively wide ski. Let your Nordica rep know... they actually DO have a voice that's heard up the ladder.

post #6 of 24

Nordi is making some really nice boards! 

post #7 of 24
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no I know the soul rider is out there, but its not the same ski, quite frankly I actually just did not like it....

 

I'm glad to hear someone else say that. I was so sure I would like it, but when demoing for two full days last season, I never really saw the appeal. I did move the binding back a bit on the second day, and it was better; maybe another cm back would have been best.  I was looking for a replacement for my Crush, and it sounded like the ticket. But meh.

post #8 of 24

Josh tune up / fix up your Blizzard Ones if you still have them.

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I did not like the Peacemaker rocker felt unbalanced to me.

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I like the idea Josh.  I know where Phil is going with the idea of modifying the tail, but that's what most of the manufacturers keep thinking.  IMO, they're not quite getting it.  I want the skinnier ski with the EXACT same design.  Please stop screwing with something good just because it's narrower and you "think" the market wants something else if it's narrrow (DPS should  be reading this too).  I have posted a few times about wanting DPS to build the Wailer 100RP (the Wailer 99 is nice, but it's just not the same kind of ski).  I really like the Patron too and a "skinny: version makes a lot of sense to me.

 

Icelantic decided that the idea was good enough to actually bring into their line-up this season.

post #11 of 24

Nordica have proven they're into re-using molds.  The Hell and Back is one example I believe.  Maybe they'll listen.

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I know where Phil is going with the idea of modifying the tail, but that's what most of the manufacturers keep thinking.  IMO, they're not quite getting it.  I want the skinnier ski with the EXACT same design.

 

Same thing with Rossi Sin7 and Soul7 - Soul7 is awesome, Sin7 is nothing like it at all. It's probably not meant to be a narrow Soul, but a narrow Soul could be a really fun ski.

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Nordica have proven they're into re-using molds.  The Hell and Back is one example I believe.  Maybe they'll listen.

 

 

Hi Josh,

Nordica CS forwarded me your note. It was humorous and I really like the fact that your super into skiing and the Nordica brand. Although I don't think we will be making you a pro model anytime soon (never say never), I would like to hear how you might be able to help us sell more skis to pro's and consumer's in the Stowe area. Maybe we can look at adding you to our team. 
Best,

Mike Martini

 

 

they are actually listening.....

 

quote from our own epic"your pro model should be the El Mattador,"beat those bulls"

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Nordica have proven they're into re-using molds.  The Hell and Back is one example I believe.  Maybe they'll listen.

 

Is there a problem with the Hell and Back mold? A couple of nice skis have come out of it... different laminates, but both nice rides.

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Is there a problem with the Hell and Back mold? A couple of nice skis have come out of it... different laminates, but both nice rides.

Absolutely, it is a really good shape ski that started off with the old Fuel series. Such as a Sin7 and Experience 98 can coexist in a product line, I think a 97 Vagabond and Helen Back also could. The new shape of these skis are too good not to come down to an under 100mm option. 

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I just want some metal in 'em, Phil!  A 'Neuenforcer'  :)

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I just want some metal in 'em, Phil!  A 'Neuenforcer'  :)

97 El Capo for you, good Sir. 

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quote from our own epic"your pro model should be the El Mattador,"beat those bulls"

 

Love it!!!  Mattador. :rotflmao:

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97 El Capo for you, good Sir. 

I'd buy that... Literally. Fischer is supposed to do a Motive 96 with metal for next season... Might be interesting, eh? smile.gif
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Is there a problem with the Hell and Back mold? A couple of nice skis have come out of it... different laminates, but both nice rides.

 

Absolutely not.  That's the point.  The shape has stayed relevant so they're re-using the mold with the new i-Core layup.  Terrific skis.  Nice thinking.

 

If you have a successful shape for multiple lengths it would seem to make sense to make multiple widths in the same molds. That makes a lot of assumptions, and I'd be prepared to read a detailed explanation of why that doesn't work from a modern (large scale) production point of view.  I've followed the evolution of the ON3P factory (from bolting together a press in the garage to their new premises with welded, multi-story, stars-and-stripes-decorated press).  It's been an interesting journey, and no doubt a huge amount of work.  In a boutique operation like that If they make a ski that has a good shape I imagine the same mold could be used for a narrower ski.  Less material in the layup means a slightly different flex of course, although there's no need to follow the exact same layup.  There are a lot of variables at play.


Edited by sinbad7 - 10/31/13 at 4:02pm
post #21 of 24
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Same thing with Rossi Sin7 and Soul7 - Soul7 is awesome, Sin7 is nothing like it at all. It's probably not meant to be a narrow Soul, but a narrow Soul could be a really fun ski.

 

I've spent half a day on the Sin7.  How would you differentiate the two?

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I've spent half a day on the Sin7.  How would you differentiate the two?

 

One works perfectly with your handle and the other doesn't.

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One works perfectly with your handle and the other doesn't.

 

Nice!  :D

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I've spent half a day on the Sin7.  How would you differentiate the two?

 

The Soul7 felt like it was better balanced between tip and tail. The Sin had too much rocker up front so all I could feel was tail. I liked the Soul better than the Sin even on harder snow.

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