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post #61 of 79

By the time my Crossmax forefoot fit (after several punches) the heels were too loose.  They seem to be designed so the heels pack out first :D:devil::D.

 

Good luck with yours.

post #62 of 79
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Odd that a well fitted X-Max 100 isn't feeling pretty darn good, albeit very snug, right out of the shop.

 

Right out of the shop it felt better, after letting them sit overnight, they became a smidge too tight.  Went in to see the fitter tonight, ankle buckle position was adjusted to relieve some pressure, he thinks they need a day of skiing before we do more work (and the differences between sock and no sock lead me to agree).  I'm heading to Stowe this weekend, so I'll hopefully break them in, if not, back to the fitter.

 

I'm still learning what "good" is supposed to feel like, and how snug is too snug.  What would indicate something went wrong?

post #63 of 79
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  What would indicate something went wrong?

 

Lingering numbness or pain well after you take the boots off. 

post #64 of 79

If your feet fall asleep,  pins/needles or cramp up while skiing, something is not right.  

 

Also need to take into account your feet may swell especially first thing on the mountain due to elevation, so may need some warming up with looser buckles in the morning.

 

Try being prepared with a pair of ultra thin, or use dress socks/liner socks as the thinnest sock.  (or go barefoot :) ).

post #65 of 79
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Try being prepared with a pair of ultra thin, or use dress socks/liner socks as the thinnest sock.  (or go barefoot :) ).

 

 

Barefoot skiing sounds like a great way to blister... anyone have experience with that?

post #66 of 79
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Barefoot skiing sounds like a great way to blister... anyone have experience with that?

yes.  Surprisingly it is actually quite comfortable. !

post #67 of 79
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Try being prepared with a pair of ultra thin, or use dress socks/liner socks as the thinnest sock.  (or go barefoot :) ).

 

 

Barefoot skiing sounds like a great way to blister... anyone have experience with that?

 

It's the exact opposite - skin has greater friction with the liner than most ski socks - but the resulting smell can be pretty overpowering.

post #68 of 79
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Right out of the shop it felt better, after letting them sit overnight, they became a smidge too tight.  Went in to see the fitter tonight, ankle buckle position was adjusted to relieve some pressure, he thinks they need a day of skiing before we do more work (and the differences between sock and no sock lead me to agree).  I'm heading to Stowe this weekend, so I'll hopefully break them in, if not, back to the fitter.

 

I'm still learning what "good" is supposed to feel like, and how snug is too snug.  What would indicate something went wrong?

 

 

Check the position of the 'L' pad in your liner in relation to your lateral side ankle bone. They often don't match, and can be the cause of feet tingling when everything else seems more or less 'ok' . A heat gun and a quick press are the cure.

post #69 of 79
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Well - good news, the boots fit, no damage to feet after a hard day skiing Saturday.  (which means they're still too big - right? ;))

 

I did get a lot of water in the to region of both feet, socks were soaked (and therefore quite cold, even to the touch) after about three hours (and I don't sweat much).  Warmed toes up feet back in boots and made it the rest of the day without too much trouble.  Suspect snow infiltrating through the seams around the toe box.


Day two - my feet felt more "crushed" than on Day one - and felt *really* cold after about three hours. Oddly enough - my feet were dry (and not cold to the touch) but started to hurt almost immediately after removing them from the boot.  Pins and needles subsided after a bit and I think the culprit was over-tightening the boot a smidge.

 

 

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Check the position of the 'L' pad in your liner in relation to your lateral side ankle bone. They often don't match, and can be the cause of feet tingling when everything else seems more or less 'ok' . A heat gun and a quick press are the cure.

 

How can I check that position?  I'm not sure which parts of my foot/ankle "lateral side ankle bone" refers to.

post #70 of 79
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Lingering numbness or pain well after you take the boots off. 
This. ^^ I'd also say very sharp pain while wearing them.
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Try being prepared with a pair of ultra thin, or use dress socks/liner socks as the thinnest sock.  (or go barefoot smile.gif ).


Barefoot skiing sounds like a great way to blister... anyone have experience with that?
My foot doesn't move enough to blister, and at this point it sounds like yours doesn't, either.

The lateral side of a body part is toward the outside of your body.

Were you skiing somewhere different on the second day? Different weather? It sounds like you've got a bit of the dreaded leaky flap. Try it with boot gloves or even a piece of duct tape at the bottom of the flaps, below the bottom buckle. I take on some water in wet conditions, but my fit is great, so I just wear boot gloves in spring conditions if it's cool enough that wet feet would feel cold.
post #71 of 79
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Also need to take into account your feet may swell especially first thing on the mountain due to elevation, so may need some warming up with looser buckles in the morning.

 

 

My feet are smaller than they are at room temp due to the cold. Also, plastic shrinking from cold will actually provide you with a little more volume as well. (I do have to crank up my buckles as the day goes though.)

post #72 of 79
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Were you skiing somewhere different on the second day? Different weather? It sounds like you've got a bit of the dreaded leaky flap. Try it with boot gloves or even a piece of duct tape at the bottom of the flaps, below the bottom buckle. I take on some water in wet conditions, but my fit is great, so I just wear boot gloves in spring conditions if it's cool enough that wet feet would feel cold.

 

Same place, colder day, less wind.  I'm afraid it's a leaky flap, but we'll see what this weekend (and packing duct tape) brings.

post #73 of 79
I've never had that problem, but isn't there something like silicone sealant you can use?
post #74 of 79
Boots. What a gigantic pain. Sigh. If I were a venture capitalist I'd be looking to invest in something to replace what we now know as the ski boot.
post #75 of 79
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Boots. What a gigantic pain. Sigh. If I were a venture capitalist I'd be looking to invest in something to replace what we now know as the ski boot.

 

Yeah, really. The fact that an entire industry (boot fitting) exists to make footwear tolerable and usable says something about the footwear itself.

 

Has anyone tried these Apex boots? http://apexskiboots.com/ 

post #76 of 79
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Same place, colder day, less wind.  I'm afraid it's a leaky flap, but we'll see what this weekend (and packing duct tape) brings.

 

Here's your answer - http://www.hotronic.com/products/fw/index.html

post #77 of 79
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I've never had that problem, but isn't there something like silicone sealant you can use?

 

Probably - the boot has something akin to silicone weather stripping down the flap anyway.

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Here's your answer - http://www.hotronic.com/products/fw/index.html

 

I may yet buy a set this weekend.  Are hotronics something that need "professional" installation?

 

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Has anyone tried these Apex boots? http://apexskiboots.com/ 

 

 
I tried the MCS-2 and the MC-S in shop and took home the Salomon custom fits instead - wasn't interested in risking a trade off in performance for comfort right now.  They seemed like a good (comfortable) fit but I was worried about heel movement in the MC-S and crushing my instep in the MC-2.
post #78 of 79
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Update! 

 

Took a lesson this weekend, and at the end of it my instructor took me to see the boot guys at Mt. Snow (who are awesome).  30 minutes and a Heel lifting, tongue work, and footbed hacking later and... I have boots that fit :D

 

Cold toes and numbness are gone, My ankle is positioned so I can actually flex the boot, control is so much better, and I'm now pretty darn sure what a good boot fitter sounds like.  (Because the guys at Mt. Snow did the same stuff that my guy at Keystone did - and both sessions resulted in Magic).

 

 

On the Demo front I spent time with the 170ish length Soul7, Sick Day, and Hell&Back during a 14+ inch dump Sunday at Mt. Snow, VT - and had a *blast*.  Chalking the "didn't like it" on the Soul 7's to my boots not fitting yet, but liked the "Sick day" and the Hell&Back (only thing I ran on the new boots).

 

Now that I've got my boots dialed in, psyched to go to Colorado and stomp around Summit county in 9 days.  Do a final round of demoing, and see if there's a purchase to be made.

post #79 of 79

See if you can get on a Ramp Woodpecker, same length as the Hell&Back.

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