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Dynastar Intuitive 71 or 74 vs Salomon Hot?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
I am torn and it is unlikely I will be able to demo all 3 conveniently this time of year.

I am an aggressive east coast (VT) skier who like the trees, steeps and occassional bumps. Pow is great but rare carving is always fun.

Looking for an all Mt ski that is comfortable with quick turns but still decent in powder when the ops arise. I am 6'4" 175 and could use help on the length as well. Have skied and loved the Xscream in a 195 for 4 years.

Intuitive 71?
Intuitive 74?
Salomon Pilot Hot?

Any thought on a ski and length? Has anyone skied these? The trend is to shorter skis but this somewhat concerns me for float in powder??
post #2 of 29
I haven't skiied all three, but find the 74 better in powder, crud, bumps than the 71. It holds a decent line on ice, but I would say the 71 is a bit better on real blue ice. That said the 74 has no problem with typical Maine hardpack and "frozen granular". I have no Solomon experience. I hope this helps.
Richard
post #3 of 29
I have to agree with craig about the length issue. Max length of both skis is 188. I am an agressive skier 160 to 175 pounds (ya, it depends...) but anyway. I ski on 167s and do not find them too short at all. You are taller than I, but skis know more about your weight than they do about your height. I would not worry a bit about 188. In fact were I you I might even consider moving down to 182, maybe even 175, but I no this would freak you out...but really consider the 182s. I think you would be pleasantly surprised. The best answer is of course to demo both in various lengths and see what you think.
post #4 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the feedback.

I found a shop with the 74's but can't find anyone in New Jersey with the 71's. I guess I am leaning twards the 74's in a 182 thanks to your feedback I feel a little better staying away from the 188's.

2 small set backs in my decision. One shop has really talked up the Rossi B1 and also the new Dynastars came out. The 8000 and 6000? I think they replace the Intuitive. Can't find any info on these. Though the 8000 is at 79 MM width and may be too wide for tight spaces. The B1 seems comperable to the 71's.

Looks like I will be flippin a coin on this one...
post #5 of 29
I can't comment on the new Dynastar line, but if money is an isuue, I assume that the at this point in the year, the intuitives will be alot less money that the new series. As for the B1--don't even think about it. IMHO there is no comparison. The Int74 is more responsive, has better turn shape, holds a better edge in hard snow and is wider to give better float in soft stuff but still cranks out pretty good short turns. The B1 doesn't come close in my estimation, but you should try them out and decide for yourself. We are all different.
post #6 of 29
Buy the Intuitive 74, it's the best of all worlds and is a great one ski quiver. It has great edgehold, is reasonably quick, stiff enough for stability, soft enough to be versatile, and wide enough to provide sufficient float when necessary. IMO it's one of the best all around skis on the market and it's available at some great prices right now.
post #7 of 29
I absolutely agree with the Coach. I doubt however that he has any real experience living with a one ski quiver. [img]smile.gif[/img] (How many different pairs of skis do you use in a season Coach?--just curious)
post #8 of 29
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Originally posted by RiDeC58:
I absolutely agree with the Coach. I doubt however that he has any real experience living with a one ski quiver. [img]smile.gif[/img] (How many different pairs of skis do you use in a season Coach?--just curious)
I've demoed alot of skis. I own 5 pairs and have skied mostly on my Fischer RX 8's and Ski Cross 10's this year. Both are great East coast skis, IMO.

I've spent some time on my K2 X Pros as well. I like the X Pros, but they are very damp and don't exhibit the energy of the RX 8 or the SC 10. Their stability at speed, however, is hard to beat.

The Dynastar Legend 8000 will likely be my next ski purchase.
post #9 of 29
I would actually recommend the 175 length for you in the Intuitiv 74. I am the same weight, and that's the length I have. I think the 182 would be too long.

They are great in the trees, bumps, and offtrail in general. They also handle hardpack very well. I tried the B2, and to me it seemed a little too noodly. My wife felt the same way about the B1. I don't think you'd get the same performance on the groomed from the Rossi B1 or B2.

The Intuitiv 71 has metal in it. It really likes to carve. Sounds like your focus is off-piste though, so I would say stick with the 74. Heard good things about the Legend series from Dynastar, but haven't skied them yet. If money is no object, give them a try.
post #10 of 29
Thread Starter 
Great feed back everyone. Thanks for your help.

I'll check out the 175 or 182's.
post #11 of 29
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Originally posted by Brent 8:
. Have skied and loved the Xscream in a 195 for 4 years.
You loved this length..... get the 74's in a 193.
post #12 of 29
Nope, don't get the 193, especially if you're skiing mostly eastern trees, steeps, moguls, etc.
I also used to love my 190+ cm. early model shaped skis. That's because they were a lot better than my old 205 cm. straight skis, and I hadn't really given anything shorter any serious consideration.

After lots of demoing I'm now skiing the 182cm. Intuitiv 74 and lovin' it. I weigh 230 lbs, and the 182cm. can rip up anything short of Valdez.

Unless you're skiing nothing but big bowls or wide groomers, the 193 is major overkill for eastern skiing especially for a 175. lb. guy.

In the east, I've pretty much thrown away my Atomic 9.16's in favor of the Dynastars because they're so much more versatile, and believe it or not, they're just as good on ice.

On a big powder day, I'll definitely look for something wider, but I can also get by with the Dynastars if I had to.
post #13 of 29
Gain weight.
post #14 of 29
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Originally posted by Subterainium:
Gain weight.
Horvath?
post #15 of 29
No, but that name sounds familiar.
post #16 of 29
Not sure if you are serious or not about the 193 recommendation Subterainium, but if you are then you sound like many of my customers who think that the lengths they were skiing 5 seasons ago are still applicable with modern shapes and designs. Seriously, for a 175 lb guy in the Intuitiv 74 178cm would be about the perfect length for tight turns on off-piste terrain and ice. You could go up to a 182 or down to a 175 depending on your personal preference, but I wouldn't go any longer than that.
post #17 of 29
I have also been debating about the Intuitiv 74, which length. I am 5'9" and 142 lbs, a pretty good skier. I have a short slalom ski I am happy with, but I am looking for a big mountain ski for my Western trips. Should I go for the 175 or the 167cm? I love trees, (which means go short) but I also want something that will rip down the mountain (go long). Also wondering if it is worth waiting for next years Legend skis.
post #18 of 29
I would definately recommend trying the Legends before deciding. No doubt the 74 is an epic ski but I get at least an email per day raving about the Legends. Only problem is time it takes for them to bite on the groom however if carving days are rare it should not be a problem (and of course I only have comments regarding the 8000 to go on).

Hopefully we will get the chance to offer an wider view on the whole range after Zermatt next month.
post #19 of 29
I did not like the Salomon Hot. Not one bit. I tried it at 175 cm. I weigh 240. That's probably why. OTOH, the extra hot was great.
post #20 of 29
Love the comparisons/stories.

Here's my contibution - Skied XScream 9's (I think 190s) for 2 years. Then bought the Cross Max 10s in a 182, not just for their rip and speed and grip, but I actually liked them in pow : . Skied these for 2 years untill I lost one in a coulee (minor avalache) back country in the Alps in January this year.

Fast forward to US - Big Sky and Jackson Hole 2 weeks ago. Demoed the Dynastar 74's and bought them in a 175. They carve very well, partially reminding me of the Salomons in this respect only, and if you let them go - hold on for the ride! Everywhere else off the trail/piste they hold, float, react in a stable manner - they do whatever is required very well for me. At this length they are still fine for trees/jump turns when required. I am an agressive skier 5'9" and 175lbs.

So for me over 3 - 4 seasons I have lost 20cmn ski length and stayed the same weight. The new shape and dynamics of ski technolgy work fine.
post #21 of 29
Quote:
Originally posted by Davidlean:
I have also been debating about the Intuitiv 74, which length. I am 5'9" and 142 lbs, a pretty good skier. I have a short slalom ski I am happy with, but I am looking for a big mountain ski for my Western trips. Should I go for the 175 or the 167cm? I love trees, (which means go short) but I also want something that will rip down the mountain (go long). Also wondering if it is worth waiting for next years Legend skis.
At your size, the 167cm would be fine in the Int 74 with the 175cm being a stretch. As for the Legends they're great skis, and the 8000 is available now at my local shop. I'd recommend a 165cm in the 8000.
post #22 of 29
Yep, at 142lb go with the 167, especially if you are focused on your tree skiing. Rest assured, they will still rip in that length.
post #23 of 29
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Originally posted by Subterainium:
No, but that name sounds familiar.
Horvath's bookie
Go for that 193 Sub [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] :
post #24 of 29
I was at winter park 3 weeks ago and demoed the legend 4800 173cm for 2 days. They are a true GS ski - extrememly quick and lively all over the mountain, including the moguls. I like a little thinner wasted all mountain ski so I would ski these on all but the deepest days.

I'm living a sedentary lifestyle in Oklahoma right now, and pretty out of shape. Regardless, these made me ski like the hero of old.

I'll be first in line to buy a pair when they come out - they're just that frickin good.

I'm 5'10 / 150lbs / 27 year old skier of 20 years.
post #25 of 29
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Originally posted by HaveSkisWillClimb:

Horvath's bookie
Go for that 193 Sub [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] : [/QB]
???
I stand by my suggestion but I've already got my boards having gone from195 xscreams long ago to 190 and 191atomics .Still have and use with immense joy 198 salomon superforce 3s for the bump days(fresh out of wrapper believe it or not)....dabbled with a 180 for a day....no thankyou....extremely happy with the "long boards". Brent sounds like a similar skier to myself although I have him by 20 lbs and look for more than the occaisional bumps when there's no powder to be found in the woods.

DEMO !
post #26 of 29
Quote:
Originally posted by Subterainium:
I stand by my suggestion but I've already got my boards having gone from195 xscreams long ago to 190 and 191atomics .Still have and use with immense joy 198 salomon superforce 3s for the bump days(fresh out of wrapper believe it or not)....dabbled with a 180 for a day....no thankyou....extremely happy with the "long boards". Brent sounds like a similar skier to myself although I have him by 20 lbs and look for more than the occaisional bumps when there's no powder to be found in the woods.

DEMO ! [/QB]
Hi..sorry to have left... For the reasons(and skis!) you've mentioned..no way am I going to dissagree, especially with something like the 3S, but do demo the two lengths in a ski of today and there's much more difference in response between different lengths with both lengthwise and widthwise stiffness...as compared to the solely lengthwise stiffness of different skis back in the 3S's day.
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*Sub, do a search...quite a few posts on similar topic....


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[ April 17, 2004, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: HaveSkisWillClimb ]
post #27 of 29
HSWC, no I wasn't very clear....I didn't dabble with the length of yesterdays 3s...if it ain't broke, don't fix it..found myself on the orange Atomic 10.20/180cm for a day.. ski swap deal bought just for the binding...fun day but not the stability I'm used to...
Next years boards are the DB Surreals 193 and/or Explosive 190 should the finances allow.

I wonder what Brent decided...is you out there Brent?
post #28 of 29
whoa, I MISFIRED...FEEL FREE TO DELETE AC...!

[ April 20, 2004, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: HaveSkisWillClimb ]
post #29 of 29
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Originally posted by HaveSkisWillClimb:
whoa, I MISFIRED...FEEL FREE TO DELETE AC...!
NOW, WHATCH U TALKN ABOUT WILLIS?
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