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DPS Wailer 112RP Pure setup

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

I’ve been lurking around here for some time now. I really appreciate the level of knowledge and the commitment you guys have to skiing.

 

I have for some time now carefully read what is written here about so-called one-quiver skis. I have after due consideration decided that the DPS Wailer 112RP Pure will be my next ski, and ordered them today.

 

The next big question now is what kind of bindings should I mount on the Wailers. I guess that at least 60-70% of the time on these skis will be resort/resort powder skiing. But I will also do some touring/BC. A platform binding is therefore not an option.

 

I have ordered D-fit Beast for my Wailers, but it is still time to make changes if I getting convincing arguments to look at other options.

 

Furthermore, I was ready to buy the new Scarpa Freedom SL, but was persuaded in the store to carefully consider D-fit Vulcan instead. I will therefore try both boots, but will welcome any advice if there are any of you who have special thoughts on this.

 

As mentioned earlier, 60-70% resort (powder) skiing, but when I do touring/BC, I will be sure I have the lightest and most functional equipment along with me. As you may have realized, I am not very concerned about what this will cost. I'll have the best equipment on the marked – period!

 

Some inputs about myself:

1 Live and skis most of the time in Norway, one or two trips to the Alps each year

2 Prefer steep SC/BC, but I’m happy as long as it is fairly soft conditions

3 Skis 50-60 days each year – at least

4 I’m an advanced skier - 45 years old and been skiing for 44 years

5 175cm (5’7) and 85kg (187) – I’m a strong guy :-)

 

I appreciate all inputs!

 

-Frank

post #2 of 24

Dynafit.

post #3 of 24

dynafit Radical SL's or you might as well go for the Beasts  I don't think you need a "beast" but you are going all out here so what the heck  BTW- pure 3's?    NIce,  I would also recommend a good lock  ;)

post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys!

It seems my yellow bananas will be accomplished with some green D-fit :-)
post #5 of 24

I would go Radical FT.  Unless your a Professional Norwegian Crash Test Dummy in which case blow the wad on the Beast!

post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
Radical FT because it's lighter, less expensive or just a better option (performance/functions) vs the Beast?
post #7 of 24

Frankly (:)) the radical ST is fine but you are going with fricken vulcans and pures 3's...  why not? 

post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
I've made up my mind -Beast & Vulcan.

Only small concern now is how the Vulcan will fit my feets. Haven't tried them on yet, and I've understood D-fit might be a bit narrow for wide feets with a high instep...
post #9 of 24

Can you try on the boots first? I'm guessing the Vulcans are even more expensive in Norway than in North America, they have been reviewed really well. Great setup, I would go for Radical FT for the weight savings personally. The upside of the beast will be a more pleasant experience on hard snow (if you end up skiing hard pack at the resort with them). Unless you ski really hard and are jumping a lot, then get the beast.

post #10 of 24

the ST's are fine. the FT"s really don't add much other than $100.00.  

post #11 of 24
Thread Starter 
Haven't had time to try the Vulcans on yet, and are really curious how they will fit my feets. Also curious if the new TLT6 will be a better option for my feets. If so, I might mount Radical FT or ST. Problaby a better touring (BC/SC) setup regarding weight.

Any thoughts how a Radical/TLT6 vs Beast/Vulcan setup will affect my Wailers performance in the resort?
post #12 of 24

Why would you want to ski in a resort when you have the means of escape :D

post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Taxman View Post

Why would you want to ski in a resort when you have the means of escape biggrin.gif

laziness, kids and bad snow conditions 😎
post #14 of 24

Back to skiing in-bounds. Two months ago I took two pairs of AT skis with tech bindings (G3 Baron/Dynafit TLT Vert and DPS Wailer 105 Pure/G3 Onyx)  and one pair of alpine skis (Stockli Stormrider XXL/Vist 614) to my lodge for two weeks of skiing.  I mostly did day tours out of bounds but on occasions dinked around in-bounds and on-piste (snow conditions were generally pretty crappy due to lack of new snow and high temps).  I didnt ski the apline skis once.  The G3 Baron was better on-piste due to being narrower and quicker edge to edge, but the DPS Wailer 105 was a hoot in the slush and crud, which we had plenty of.  One thing I did decide to do though was ditch my heavyish AT boots (Technica Cochise) and get a pair of dedicated lighter AT boots (Dynafit TLT6 if they fit).  For general in-bounds skiing, my AT gear works fine. I will probably ditch my alpine only mid and phat skis and only keep my race skis and boots as I can't see them getting any use.


Edited by Taxman - 10/29/13 at 11:53pm
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by frankrs View Post

Haven't had time to try the Vulcans on yet, and are really curious how they will fit my feets. Also curious if the new TLT6 will be a better option for my feets. If so, I might mount Radical FT or ST. Problaby a better touring (BC/SC) setup regarding weight.

Any thoughts how a Radical/TLT6 vs Beast/Vulcan setup will affect my Wailers performance in the resort?

 

With the caveat that I have not skied any Dynafit bindings, my friends who use them (Radical ST) report that the lack of elasticity makes them jarring to ski on hard snow, especially frozen chop/chunder at the end of a day of touring (skiing back through the resort after being in the sidecountry). The Beast is supposed to be better at this, you can check out reviews on the big TGR Beast thread and probably Wildsnow and Blister.

post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by frankrs View Post
Any thoughts how a Radical/TLT6 vs Beast/Vulcan setup will affect my Wailers performance in the resort?

 

I ski a quiver of down hill boards with Dynafits.  And have gone to lighter and lighter models every year will great results.   They are a bit harsh in really hard snow conditions comparing them side by side to the typical DH bindings.  But I ski them all spring and summer on steep icy, HARD terrain and want nothing more.

 

If you are switching back and forth in a lift area with hard conditions you'll notice the difference.  If you aren't switching back and forth you won't.

 

Either FT/ST set up will work just fine.  I have used them both.  If asked an opinion, having owned a Pure RP112 I think the heavier boot and binding is just excess baggage/weight on the 112.   I ski an RPC with Radical Speeds and a Dynafit ONE boot as a lift and side country dedicated ski.  The RP112 is a even easier ski to turn and play on than the RPC.  As long as you aren't buying a really long RP112, the TLT6 is more than enough boot for many skiers.  But the lwt weight is not everyopne's cup oftea.  I liked the combo and have two 113mm+ width alpine skis I now use specifically with the TLT6.

 

Mercury is a narrow boot.  The TLT6 is a really narrow boot with a low instep.  You have to mold the TLT6 to really know if they will work for you IMO or play with them and a good boot fitter a lot prior to purchase to make sure the shell will work first.  Then mold the liner.      

 

Vulcan will drive any ski. TLT6 will drive some skis for a good skier.

post #17 of 24

just getting into the AT game this season with Titan UL's and Rad ST's. I plan to go the route of Binding Freedom inserts on my Praxis Protests, DPS/Unleashed Hells (need to have a test-off) and a Volkl Nunataq with a marker DIN binding. Its an inexpensive way to use different setups.  This will give me a ski for any condition for tech or DIN. Anyone I have spoken to or read has said the ST's will ski every bit as good on soft snow/powder as a DIN setup. I am hoping this is the case. 

 

Boot-wise, In just trying on the Titans they feel really good and have a flex feeling very close to a Lange 120; its not as smooth or consistent of a flex but I think for soft snow this is not an issue

post #18 of 24

Any tech binding will ski every bit as good on soft snow/powder as a DIN setup.  You won't notice a difference there even side by side.

 

The older Dynafit boot designs and every other AT boot available, as of last year anyway, is old technology when it comes to hiking unless it is a Dynafit TLT based boot.  Good skiing performance is rather easy to come by.  A really good hiking/skinning mode isn't.  As good as even the Maestrale series is for skiing...and the RS is a very good ski boot.  The ONE, Mercury, Vulcan are light years beyond the rest imo for skinning and hiking ankle mobility.

 

TLT6 is the poster child for all that is good in the world for that kind of boot.  ONE, Mercury, Vulcan are just heavier/stiffer versions of the TLT6.

 

New boot, the La Sportiva Spectra, may be another in the same lwt weight, easy to skin/hike in and an exceptional ski boot.  Jury is still out.  But won't be for long.

post #19 of 24

I tried on a One, it was like wearing a sneaker.  So soft.  the shop said it wouldn't drive a 100 plus ski adequately especially with my longer legs. .  

post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
 

I tried on a One, it was like wearing a sneaker.  So soft.  the shop said it wouldn't drive a 100 plus ski adequately especially with my longer legs. .

Ha, ha!  I'm 6'1" and not yet old or frail.  I ski the ONE and the Maestrale RS on a 178 Hang5 @ 117mm, 196 Huascarans @115mm, 192 RPCs @ 115mm, and 190, 138s@ 138mm all quite adroitly, if I may say so myself.:D   Same plan for my 192 GPO and the 187 Protest.  Have the shop..shop for a clue;)

 

I own a few boots, ONE is a favorite and quite a surprise.  Needed a "bigger" boot in a hurry and no Mercurys available.  Mercurys available now and no reason to buy them.  Or add the weight.  Way more boot than I expected.

 

The ONE is a soft but more importantly a very even flexing boot that skis a lot better and stiffer than any rug test will ever indicate.  Easy to think the ONE's exceptional flex profile as just a soft "sneaker" boot.   That would be a mistake IMO.

 

Here are some thoughts on AT boot stiffness.

 

http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2013/10/touring-boot-flex-ratings.html

post #21 of 24

THANKS DANE!  Appreciate the insight.  I ended up with a Titan UL, hope that is OK.  The shop wasn't carrying Mercury's as they said it was too stiff and it was too much like a ski/walk boot.. I thought that was crazy so it all makes sense.....  

 

GREAT SITE TOO!  

post #22 of 24

Hey Fin, hope it helped.  I have buddies that are much better skiers than I that have use the Titan.  I think Dave's (link below) switched to the Scarpa Freedom SL this year. Was tempted myself as I need a dedicated alpine boot again.  But Dave has skied some pretty amazing stuff (read scary;) and climbed up them as well in the older Titans.

 

Dave's web site:http://davesearle.me/skiing/

 

I have a half dozen boot reviews to write up yet.  Likely this month.

 

But here is a good review of the Mercury/RS comparison.  Not all of which I agree with btw but a good heads up.  It got me into a RS.  But would have been just as happy in a Mercury.  Experience with e ONE tells me that quite clearly.  You'll (I) like it because he skis and likes the Protest :)

 

Jeff did a great job on this IMO

http://www.earlyups.com/featured/at-boot-showdown-dynafit-mercury-vs-scarpa-maestrale-rs/

 

I skied a season and some on the last version of the Dynafit Zzero Carbon.  Boots have changed so much in just a couple of seasons that that boots like the Zzero and Titan are very dated now in comparison.  Boots like the newest La Sportiva Spectra, the TLT/ONE/Mercury/Vulcan line are exceptional boots.  The Scarpa Maestale line as well.  Scott is in the game now and others.  But the technology is racing faster than any normal pocket book can keep up.

 

You have the best Titan every built for sure.

 

It is a two year old review now and not sure it was really up to date (as a comparison to other boots available) when it was posted.

 

http://www.wildsnow.com/6499/dynafit-titan-ul-review/


Edited by Dane - 11/1/13 at 2:09pm
post #23 of 24

that's a great article.  read that;  thanks.  

post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 

Looks like both my wife and I will have a superb winter - as long as we get lots of snow.

 

AppleMark

 

 

Thanks for all the feedback that I have received from you!

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