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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Hi,

I finally ordered the soul 7 with the pivot 14, thanks for helping me out with my questions. I am 146 lbs and 5'8 1/2 and currently ski experience 88 161 and rtm 80 166. I debating for a long time between the 172 and 180 and decided to go with the 172 due to my weight and usually ski at average speed and east coast groomers and out west 10 days a year.

I hope I won't regret the size decision.

Thanks again
post #2 of 20
Thread Starter 

And please don't hesitate to share your opinion on my length choice...I have until tomorrow to change my mind and go with the 180 :). I am a intermediate skier, maybe advance (I ski black most of the time), not sure. 

post #3 of 20

I just ordered 188's with Marker Griffons. I was waffling on size to, but Trekchick who has seen me ski thought the 188s would be good. I demoed them in the Spring and they were so light and easy to turn I think I'll be happy except in only the tightest trees.

 

Can't wait to get out on them. Hopefully the powder will follow me around again like it did last year.

post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 

Congrat. What is your weight, height and skiing location? 

post #5 of 20

I'm 5'9" around 215lb at the moment, though hoping to be 200-ish come ski season. I'm in Massachusetts, ski Sugarloaf, Cannon, Sugarbush, etc. and head out West once a year. I plan on making this my main ski except for really firm days. I have a Fischer Progressor 9+ for that. May add something in the 80's next season if this plan doesn't work for me ...

post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 

The 188cm seem the good choice for you with your stats. I contacted Rossignol and according to them and other users of the Soul 7, the 188 will probably ski like a 178, the 180 ski more like a 172 and the 172 will probably ski more like a 164.

 

For me, at 146 lbs and 5'8" 1/4, the 172cm feel the right choice for me due to my weight and skiing location, the East groomers and 10 days a years or west or Europe. 

 

Can't wait!

post #7 of 20

sym, if you were only 5'8"  I'd agree, but that 1/4" just might push you up into a longer ski.

 

:D

 

 

But seriously at 146lbs I think you'll be fine.  I'm 5'9 17/32" weigh about 170 and got the 180's which I demoed and were incredible, no reason to go shorter for me, they are a quick turning ski.

 

 

Enjoy!

post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 

Hey, with my height the "1/4" is very important for my self confidence :)

post #9 of 20

I'm a bit shorter than you, maybe a full 1" and I weigh 150.  My daily driver for the past two seasons has been a 170cm Nordica Steadfast.  I've ordered a pair of 174cm Atomic Rituals for deeper snow.  I demoed that size last year and they were great.  Given your stats you should be fine with the 172.


Edited by mtcyclist - 10/21/13 at 9:03pm
post #10 of 20

Hey Sym-

 

I realize that this post may be coming a little too late, but I'm going to throw it out there anyways. In my opinion, you could really go either way on this, and it ultimately depends mostly on your "trajectory." What I mean by this is, how do you see yourself skiing next year? Are you looking to further improve your skills and keep pushing yourself as a skier? Or do you expect to be skiing in pretty much the same way as this year- moderate speeds on East Coast groomers.

 

If you think you'll be skiing in mostly the same way next year, then the 172 would be a perfectly fine choice. That ski would be a completely comfortable cruiser that you could take at your own pace, and not have to worry about being on your A-Game to handle. On the other hand, if you're looking to progress your skills, then I'd push you to get the 180cm. The added length will give you a bit more stability at higher speeds and in the crud. At the same time, I don't think you'll find the extra 8 cm too inhibiting, as the Soul 7's are super lightweight and the sidecut ends well before the tip and tail (shorter turn radius). 

 

Final thoughts: You'll be good either way, but the added length would help you progress your skills if that's what you're looking to do.

 

Hope this helped!

Matt @ Skiessentials.com

post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks ski essential,

Unfortunatly it is too late, they already installed the bindings, you are probably correct, every years my goal is to improve my skiing techniques, I hope he 172 will be good for me for at least two seasons smile.gif

I am curious, what is your definition of higher speed? I skied in Utah and Colorado black runs between 30 and 50 mph using my vokl rtm 80 166 and experience 88 161cm and I felt relatively stable. Do you think the soul 7 172 at that speed will be unstable ?

I hope I made correct decision, I usually demo but not this time smile.gif

Thanks
post #12 of 20

IMO you bought the correct length. Period. This is, by all reports, a lot stiffer and smoother ski than the old S7. Epic, who outweighs you by oh, say 50- 60 lbs, is quite a bit taller, and is a strong Level III instructor, thinks the 180 is plenty of ski for him. Nuff said...

post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by sym95734 View Post

Thanks ski essential,

Unfortunatly it is too late, they already installed the bindings, you are probably correct, every years my goal is to improve my skiing techniques, I hope he 172 will be good for me for at least two seasons smile.gif

I am curious, what is your definition of higher speed? I skied in Utah and Colorado black runs between 30 and 50 mph using my vokl rtm 80 166 and experience 88 161cm and I felt relatively stable. Do you think the soul 7 172 at that speed will be unstable ?

I hope I made correct decision, I usually demo but not this time smile.gif

Thanks

 

I think you made the right decision.  IMO, many of the replies on this forum tend to recommend lengths that are too long for the person asking the question.  Don't take this wrong, but if you're asking the question of which length is "right for me", then most likely the shorter length would be a better choice unless you intend to spend almost all your time skiing big, open faces at high speeds.  

 

I'm totally convinced that the only - debatable - advantage that a longer length offers is incrementally more "float" in deeper, softer snow.  The whole thing about "stability at higher speeds" with most modern skis is - again IMO - primarily a function of ski technique rather than length of the ski.  I've watched too many really great skiers go balls-to-the-wall on "short" lengths to believe that stability is even a question with modern skis at reasonably high speeds 

 

If you spend most of your time skiing inbounds, on-piste, or in relatively skied-out snow, shorter is better than longer.  You will learn to feel how the ski works when properly pressured rather than trying to "keep up with" a ski that's longer than what you really need.
 

 

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

IMO you bought the correct length. Period. This is, by all reports, a lot stiffer and smoother ski than the old S7. Epic, who outweighs you by oh, say 50- 60 lbs, is quite a bit taller, and is a strong Level III instructor, thinks the 180 is plenty of ski for him. Nuff said...

 

Perfectly said.

post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 

I really appreciate all your comments, thanks a lot. I'll provide feedback on the 172cm when I ski them!

post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
 

 

I think you made the right decision.  IMO, many of the replies on this forum tend to recommend lengths that are too long for the person asking the question.  Don't take this wrong, but if you're asking the question of which length is "right for me", then most likely the shorter length would be a better choice unless you intend to spend almost all your time skiing big, open faces at high speeds.  

 

I'm totally convinced that the only - debatable - advantage that a longer length offers is incrementally more "float" in deeper, softer snow.  The whole thing about "stability at higher speeds" with most modern skis is - again IMO - primarily a function of ski technique rather than length of the ski.  I've watched too many really great skiers go balls-to-the-wall on "short" lengths to believe that stability is even a question with modern skis at reasonably high speeds 

 

If you spend most of your time skiing inbounds, on-piste, or in relatively skied-out snow, shorter is better than longer.  You will learn to feel how the ski works when properly pressured rather than trying to "keep up with" a ski that's longer than what you really need.
 

 

 

Perfectly said.

 

Crap!  I asked for 188s, do you think I will be OK Bob?

post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
 

 

I think you made the right decision.  IMO, many of the replies on this forum tend to recommend lengths that are too long for the person asking the question.  Don't take this wrong, but if you're asking the question of which length is "right for me", then most likely the shorter length would be a better choice unless you intend to spend almost all your time skiing big, open faces at high speeds  great advice, 100% agree and no need for the "unless"... that skier already knows.

 

I'm totally convinced that the only - debatable - advantage that a longer length offers is incrementally more "float" in deeper, softer snow.  The whole thing about "stability at higher speeds" with most modern skis is - again IMO - primarily a function of ski technique rather than length of the ski.  I've watched too many really great skiers go balls-to-the-wall on "short" lengths to believe that stability is even a question with modern skis at reasonably high speeds 

 

If you spend most of your time skiing inbounds, on-piste, or in relatively skied-out snow, shorter is better than longer.  You will learn to feel how the ski works when properly pressured rather than trying to "keep up with" a ski that's longer than what you really need.

I have a slight quibble with the second bolded part, a longer ski can provide more support to stay balanced on the ski, or more leverage to return to a balanced position on the ski. Yeah, technique and balance trump extra length every time, but not everyone stays in balance all the time. I've seen plenty of skiers gain the ability to relax and therefor ski better on a slightly longer length (or just not silly short) ski. Absolutely a great skier can rage on an SL length ski all over any mountain... most people are not great skiers. Obviously I'm not advocating Longer is Better or to buy extremely long skis, just that there is almost always two proper length options, the shorter one isn't always better. 

post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post
 

 

Crap!  I asked for 188s, do you think I will be OK Bob?

 

Ummmmmm.

 

Yeah.  I think you'll be just fine. 

 

;) 

 

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

I have a slight quibble with the second bolded part, a longer ski can provide more support to stay balanced on the ski, or more leverage to return to a balanced position on the ski. Yeah, technique and balance trump extra length every time, but not everyone stays in balance all the time. I've seen plenty of skiers gain the ability to relax and therefor ski better on a slightly longer length (or just not silly short) ski. Absolutely a great skier can rage on an SL length ski all over any mountain... most people are not great skiers. Obviously I'm not advocating Longer is Better or to buy extremely long skis, just that there is almost always two proper length options, the shorter one isn't always better. 

 

That's a very good point.  You're absolutely right that a longer platform can definitely provide more fore/aft balance options and give the skier a better chance of re-centering after getting thrown a little.  

 

My only counter-quibble would be that in a practical sense you often see people using the AFT part of that equation a lot more than the FORE part. 

 

I completely agree with your suggestion that there are almost always two proper length options.  That's a very important observation and it illustrates your experience in the industry. It should be quoted every time we see someone agonizing over EXACTLY which length of the hot, new Blitzkrieg Scorcher ZX is perfect for them.

 

Thanks.

post #18 of 20

Although Whiterooms comments are correct, I also look at the speed and type of terrain. Tight trees and lower speeds do not need uber long ski's; that works against you. Less "real estate" to manage with shorter boards. you get to the point where regardless of swing weight, the laws of physics take over and it a shorter ski has advantages that outweigh the negative of slightly less stability.  If you are skiing tight trees, there's really no time to recover from getting knocked in the back seat for instance so the longer ski doesn't provide any real advantage.  I also think the skis coming out now offer improved stability overall.  What clouds the waters these days on powder skis is the actual tip to tail length vs. published as well as how much splay is in the tip/tail and flex.  The Super7 is a good example. I may be considering a pair but the 180 and 188 lengths with that particular profile will really require a demo for my needs. I would prefer that ski in a 184/5 (splitting hairs)

post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
 

Although Whiterooms comments are correct, I also look at the speed and type of terrain. Tight trees and lower speeds do not need uber long ski's; that works against you. Less "real estate" to manage with shorter boards. you get to the point where regardless of swing weight, the laws of physics take over and it a shorter ski has advantages that outweigh the negative of slightly less stability.  If you are skiing tight trees, there's really no time to recover from getting knocked in the back seat for instance so the longer ski doesn't provide any real advantage.  I also think the skis coming out now offer improved stability overall.  What clouds the waters these days on powder skis is the actual tip to tail length vs. published as well as how much splay is in the tip/tail and flex.  The Super7 is a good example. I may be considering a pair but the 180 and 188 lengths with that particular profile will really require a demo for my needs. I would prefer that ski in a 184/5 (splitting hairs)

Agree on demoing if it's possible in a given locale.  Here it's something of a waiting game to see of the Soul 7-s disappear before demo time or are even made available for that.  I'm in a 180 vs. 188 waiting game.

post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
 

 

Ummmmmm.

 

Yeah.  I think you'll be just fine. 

 

;) 

 

 

That's a very good point.  You're absolutely right that a longer platform can definitely provide more fore/aft balance options and give the skier a better chance of re-centering after getting thrown a little.  

 

My only counter-quibble would be that in a practical sense you often see people using the AFT part of that equation a lot more than the FORE part. 

 

I completely agree with your suggestion that there are almost always two proper length options.  That's a very important observation and it illustrates your experience in the industry. It should be quoted every time we see someone agonizing over EXACTLY which length of the hot, new Blitzkrieg Scorcher ZX is perfect for them.

 

Thanks.

 

I was just kidding around when I posted, then I came back later and the request for the request was officially in my mailbox.  Now I am having small pangs of buyers remorse.  I am leaning strong towards the 188.  I can't honestly remember which size I demoed.  I am sure that both would work for me.  I ski the 180 E98, 178 E88, and 188 S7.  I wouldn't necessarily want to ski the E series longer, although I demoed both those skis in longer sizes with no real problems.  I definitely wouldn't want to ski the S7 any shorter.  What do you think Bob?

 

BTW...  I enjoy exploring the balance and movement opportunities available to me on the aft portion of my skis.  I feel like I paid for the whole ski, I should use the whole ski:D  

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