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post #31 of 54
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

I think alot of people could benefit from skiing the bushwacker in it intend environment tight trees/bumps/chute I think most will find that not only does the soft flex let alot of non aggressive people learn to shape turn in the woods, it will also teach expert skiers not to 'crush" their turns and instead ski with finesse.


Wow, this actually makes sense...........thanks. A stiff ski in the trees can be a nightmare if it's packed out, bumped up, and skied off.

post #32 of 54
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Originally Posted by cc1 View Post


Wow, this actually makes sense...........thanks. A stiff ski in the trees can be a nightmare if it's packed out, bumped up, and skied off.

It's scary though because you are always going the direction are pointed and difficult to scrub off speed.
post #33 of 54
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Originally Posted by Nikoras View Post


It's scary though because you are always going the direction are pointed and difficult to scrub off speed.

 

 

narrow rockered skis like the bushwacker are VERY easy to scrub speed off in scraped off hardpack.

 

plus if your skiing slow line fast you should never really need to scrub speed anyways.

post #34 of 54
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 

 

narrow rockered skis like the bushwacker are VERY easy to scrub speed off in scraped off hardpack.

 

plus if your skiing slow line fast you should never really need to scrub speed anyways.

 

 

Hmm I guess this is a result of where I come from. Consider, I've ridden <70 mm carvers since I've started skiing (~15 years casually) in a length no greater than 165cm. I jump on a 180 bushwacker and it's a whole different thing for me. I'm not the greatest skiier ever so I used the Pivot-push as a cheater tool to correct my line and scrub off speed in the bumps when I kind of lose track of what line I SHOULD be skiing. I'm not saying it's super impossible for me to ride these in the bumps, but it is stepping up the difficulty for me a notch. Something I absolutely welcome.

 

It undoubtedly feels more "right" too. It's more like I'm steering through the bumps rather than just "making it down them".

post #35 of 54
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Originally Posted by Nikoras View Post
 

 

 

Hmm I guess this is a result of where I come from. Consider, I've ridden <70 mm carvers since I've started skiing (~15 years casually) in a length no greater than 165cm. I jump on a 180 bushwacker and it's a whole different thing for me. I'm not the greatest skiier ever so I used the Pivot-push as a cheater tool to correct my line and scrub off speed in the bumps when I kind of lose track of what line I SHOULD be skiing. I'm not saying it's super impossible for me to ride these in the bumps, but it is stepping up the difficulty for me a notch. Something I absolutely welcome.

 

It undoubtedly feels more "right" too. It's more like I'm steering through the bumps rather than just "making it down them".

 

 

never a line in the bumps you should be skiing in bumps.

 

once you have advanced to expert skill not only will you be able to "pick" line better but when you get off line it will not be so disastrous.

post #36 of 54
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post


actually, the Bushwacker is offered in a 187 this coming season.

 

 

The 187 is a good length and a welcome addition!  It skis short due to the big tip and tail rocker, so I really liked the 187. Gave me more stability than a 180cm Brahma, yet was much more forgiving, and smoother in the chop snow.  Feels lighter and more nimble too.  I always felt like the 180cm Bushwacker was a fun ski, but a little short except in tight spaces.   I like those mid 180's lengths when it comes to skis that aren't super stiff and have more rocker/early rise. 

post #37 of 54
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
 

 

 

 Gave me more stability than a 180cm Brahma, yet was much more forgiving, and smoother in the chop snow. 

Really, that much of a difference? Right now from what I've skiied in these early conditions, I've found it's biggest weakness is the chop. The liveliness of the ski is one of it's greatest assets, but I've definitely found myself somewhat timid and intimidated when things get a little choppy.

post #38 of 54

Yes, I found 7cm makes a world of difference in most skis.  FWIW, the Flipcore skis tend to feel a little short on firmer snow; the Brahma/Bonafide have that short and stiffish, almost race carver stiffish feel at times, as they are some of the stiffest all-mountain skis around.  Skiing the Scout in 185, the Bushwacker in 187, was a nice change of pace.  Softer at the tip, so easier to get it flexing early and working the ski, but still good stability.  Interestingly enough, I really like the Kabookie in 180, but that is mostly because I only pull that ski out when conditions are soft, and in soft conditions, you get the full running length, unlike on groomers, when, say a Brahma feels like a snappy 174cm ski instead of the typical 180cm.  FWIW, I skied the Brahma 180 and Magnum 8.5 174cm back to back on FIRM groomers, and they were very similar in terms of stability and edge grip.  Magnum had the "fun" edge though, more energy out of the turn, more "pull" at the top of the turn. 

post #39 of 54
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
 

 

 

The 187 is a good length and a welcome addition!  It skis short due to the big tip and tail rocker, so I really liked the 187. Gave me more stability than a 180cm Brahma, yet was much more forgiving, and smoother in the chop snow.  Feels lighter and more nimble too.  I always felt like the 180cm Bushwacker was a fun ski, but a little short except in tight spaces.   I like those mid 180's lengths when it comes to skis that aren't super stiff and have more rocker/early rise. 

Yes, if you are skiing out west on wide open slopes mid 180's fine but back east it can be another story. 187cm doesn't fit bumps/trees/narrow trails well.......flooring it on open space yes it's fine.

post #40 of 54

Hi everyone! I am bumping this thread because I am considering  to buy the Bushwacker. I am 182 cm ( ~6') and weight 78 kg (172 lbs). I can not decide the length that I'm going to buy. 173 or the 180. My head says 180 based on what I have read, but my experience tells me to buy the 173. I dont ski hard, but really enjoy some powder on the side of the groomeres. 

 

I live in Norway and are used to Telemark-skiing. I want an alternative to that, and think the Bushwacker would be a soft and fun ski to ride outside the groomers as well as in the groomers. 

 

The shop that I'm going to buy the skiis from, also sell the Brahma at the same price( 2700 NOK = 400 USD) but only in 173. 

 

Should I get the Bushwacker in 180? 

 

 

Best regards

Olav

post #41 of 54
180.
post #42 of 54

I also think 180 would be OK, but I'm just a litle afraid if they don't have a lot rocker in the front, and I'm not used to ski longer skiis than about 175. 

post #43 of 54
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Originally Posted by olavkige View Post
 

I also think 180 would be OK, but I'm just a litle afraid if they don't have a lot rocker in the front, and I'm not used to ski longer skiis than about 175. 


I have a 159 Bushwacker for my girlfriend and the 1st almost 10 inches of the ski is rockered, The ski will ski pretty short. Get the 180cm

post #44 of 54

@olavkige, I'm about your size (6'2" and 175).  I had (I sold it...) Bushwacker's in the 173cm length.  They were fun on groomers and in bumps because you could jam them into any gap and not get in trouble...  But at any sort of speed or in snow deeper than a couple inches -- well, they were just too short.  Too much of a one-trick pony in the 173cm length.

 

Get the 180.

post #45 of 54

Then it is decided. I bought the 180 cm. I think I will buy a pair of marker griffons for them. 

post #46 of 54

Bump for my Bushwacker report.

 

Age: 56

Hgt: 6'2"  Wgt: 230 lbs

Level: Advanced

 

I bought some last-season Bushwackers in 180 and mounted STH2 on the line. I love these skis. So easy and so forgiving, while still able to haul ass. I have zero complaints with this ski.

post #47 of 54

Mounted up a pair of 2013 173cm with 22 Designs Axls. I'm 5'8", 180#, expert, 35 years on tele. 

This ski is, as others have said, the logical end point of telemark ski design, perfect for U.S. telemark skiers. I personally like the 173cm size, but my personal bent is more about turns, trees and terrain than mach speed.

Good to excellent edge hold. On rink conditions, they give up a bit, but with nerve, one can work with the wash out on ice.

Agree with opinions about 'hunting' at top speed, but when bent, they deliver. Max speed for me on these is a comfortable 45-50 mph. The ability to pull just about any radius turn is amazing. That may be a function of the 173 cm length, however. In trees and bumps, they are a predictable, responsive companion. And the more you angulate, the more they turn; an amazing capacity for absorbing corrections to line.  

The snap and rebound was a bit of a surprise at first, but once dialed in, it becomes part of the ski's playful side.  Tails are stiff enough to inspire confidence and deliver fast transitions, and they are the saving grace for this ski when it goes in the chop and death cookies, where it does not shine brightest. They can pop air over anything, which may also be a function of their light weight.  

Powder, no problem - C'mon folks, 88mm used to be a fat ski!  Plus, we telemarkers like to sink a bit.  In backcountry, I have had no issues - light enough to tour  on skins for a few hours (boots are limiting factor there), and then rule any downhill line.  Graphics are kinda so-so, but not an issue for me.

I'd recommend these very highly as a one ski quiver.

post #48 of 54

Hello! I'm relatively new to these forums so please forgive any ignorance in advance.

I'm looking at a pair of bushwackers as my next pair of skis.  I am a intermediate to advanced skier, 5'7", and ~130lbs.  I looked at the brahmas and thought that they may be too much ski for me.  I ski mainly in the midwest with a week maybe out west.  

Thank You 

Arlo

post #49 of 54
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Originally Posted by Arlo View Post
 

Hello! I'm relatively new to these forums so please forgive any ignorance in advance.

I'm looking at a pair of bushwackers as my next pair of skis.  I am a intermediate to advanced skier, 5'7", and ~130lbs.  I looked at the brahmas and thought that they may be too much ski for me.  I ski mainly in the midwest with a week maybe out west.  

Thank You 

Arlo

These are surely an option. There are other 88-90mm skis that could work too. Nordica NRGy90, Scott The Ski, Volkl Kink, Line Supernatural 92 are all good skis for lighter skiers that are looking to advance their proficiency. 

post #50 of 54

Thank you!

I think the LINE skis are just what I'm looking for.  Any suggestions on bindings?

I've looked at Marker Squires and Tyrolia Attack 13s. I have Lange boots if that helps

Thanks again 

Arlo

post #51 of 54
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Originally Posted by Arlo View Post
 

Thank you!

I think the LINE skis are just what I'm looking for.  Any suggestions on bindings?

I've looked at Marker Squires and Tyrolia Attack 13s. I have Lange boots if that helps

Thanks again 

Arlo

Boots are irrelevant but thanks for posting them. Go with the Attack 13, a bit beefier. 

post #52 of 54

I bought a pair of Bushwackers last season and skied them in Snowmass in April in spring conditions.  They were very difficult to ski on hard/semi icy snow (bounced around a lot), but were amazing in light powder (it snowed one day).  I also had a pair of K2 Amp Rictors which I used as well.  Found the K2's much more versatile.  But the BW are excellent skis in the right conditions. 

post #53 of 54

Bump. I'm looking at some closeouts of the 187 Bushwacker.  6'1', 220 lb, lift weights, expert skier.  Would mount with some Look ZR18 turntables I have.  The Bushwackers would be my light ski - trees, bumps, goofing off, spring/fall skiing, modest speeds.  If I want to attack ice at 50+ mph, I've got a dozen other skis to do that on.  But I don't have a great modern, moderate weight/stiffness ski I can boss around in tight spots for quick turns. 

 

By reading the accounts in this thread, it sounds like people are having a decent time on 180's with a bodyweight around 180lb or so.  Will the 187's work for me, or will I fold them up?

 

I've skied the 187 Bonafied (first year version) w/fks for several years now as my go-to all around ski, and it's the lightest/easiest ski in my normal quiver.  I consider it whippy enough for bumps and trees (occasionally taxing) but with good enough stability for all around skiing.  I'm looking to replace them eventually, maybe with the new bonafied w/STH2 16's, or a 193 enforcer 93 or 100, or maybe a 190 rossi E100, etc etc.  I'd like something a hair more substantial but just as versatile, than my current bonafied, as my main all around ski.

 

 

post #54 of 54
^^^ you should be fine on the 187 Bushwackers. I am your height/weight and mine are the 180's, but I could easily see myself on the 187's. Excellent ski.
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