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The Incredible Lightness of Being!

 
 
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Last time I skied was in Early August. Snow was old, dirty and sun cupped.

On my last run that day I clicked out of a heel at full speed (likely had dirt on my boot sole when I clipped in) and took a slide that was embarrassing and a little painful. I was lucky. The end result could have been worse.
 
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Some of the first turns of the 13/14 season!

I was back at it again in the same area today. Just across the valley this time but on the same Northwestern exposure. Today I was lucky enough to do lap after lap on perfect spring like conditions with chalk like snow that turned to perfect corn in the late afternoon sun. And thankfully a boot pack the snow boarders put in previous and then ignored the 700 vertical they had left me. I lapped it until my legs gave out. It was a perfect start to the 13/14 season.

A thought that crossed my mind today? Not sure I have ever skied in mid Oct. was one. Without the really light weight gear I have I doubt I would ever ski in Oct, was the other! 4# 4oz per foot including boot, binding and ski. It was some simply amazing skiing if only some 50 or turns per lap. Enough per lap that I was grateful just to be there. Not much skiing but enough to remind me of why we all go to the mountains and why we ski.

 
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Dynafit PDG, ski and boots. A lwt combo that is really fun to ski on.  I am no skimo racer but this is gear I wish I'd had decades ago.  I sure would have skied more
 

Edited by Dane - 10/18/13 at 6:34pm
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A thought that crossed my mind today? Not sure I have ever skied in mid Oct. was one. Without the really light weight gear I have I doubt I would ever ski in Oct, was the other! 4.4oz per foot including boot, binding and ski. It was some simply amazing skiing if only some 50 or turns per lap. Enough per lap that I was grateful just to be there. Not much skiing but enough to remind me of why we all go to the mountains and why we ski.

 

Dynafit PDG, ski and boots. A lwt combo that is really fun to ski on.  I am no skimo racer but this is gear I wish I'd had decades ago.  I sure would have skied more

 

Wow! That is light!!  ;-)

 

Seriously, looks like a beautiful outing. I guess these are the skis? 

 

www.backcountry.com/dynafit-pdg-ski

 

Guess they only come in a 161cm length?

 

If you don't mind sharing how much do you weigh and how much did the whole skis-bindings-boots package set you back?

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http://vimeo.com/53348306

 

The Dynafit set up is named after the Swiss PDG race.  So it is intended as full on rando race gear.  But way more fun to ski in the right snow conditions than I thought it might be.  Perfect for ski mountaineering in the Spring on any mountain.  Super fun year around here in the PNW

 

I'm 6'1"  and weight between 185 and 190 on a good day.

 

All this stuff is hard to find at a discount because they don't bring a lot of it in the country.  I tried last Spring to buy the boots in my size 29 and they simply were unavailable by then    This year I had the money put aside and snagged the boots as soon as they appeared.  Took me over  a year to put this package together.  Was it worth it?   I have been in the TLT5 for a couple of years and own other lwt skis.  Nothing this light however.  And likely a big reason I was willing to earn my turns yesterday.  And going back on Saturday.....starting with a 10 mile 6K foot climb on my bicycle carrying all my ski gear.  Not something I would have even even seriously thought about previous with heavier gear.

 

Waiting on a pair of Nanga Parbats now.  Again in short supply but only 1000g a ski.

 

retail?  $2350 plus mount, shipping and tax

 

PDG ski is $700

PDG boot is on sale right now   $850

http://www.backcountry.com/dynafit-dy.n.a.-pdg-ski-boot?ti=UExQIENhdDpBbHBpbmUgVG91cmluZyBCb290czoxOjE0OmJjc0NhdDUxMTAwMDQx

full race version is 1/2 price

http://www.backcountry.com/dynafit-dy.n.a.-pdg-ski-boot?ti=UExQIENhdDpBbHBpbmUgVG91cmluZyBCb290czoxOjE0OmJjc0NhdDUxMTAwMDQx

bindings are pricie but the weight is silly $800

http://www.backcountry.com/dynafit-low-tech-race-binding?ti=UExQIENhdDpBbHBpbmUgVG91cmluZyBCaW5kaW5nczoxOjI3OmJjc0NhdDUxMTAwMDQw

 

I have skied on a number of skinny skimo style ski in the 160+ to 170- range in all sorts of conditions.  And really enjoy them.  My down hill boards are 110+mm under foot and 192/196 generally.

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I know the getting there/up is the real appeal of this setup, but on the other hand who here your (I'm about the same) size would ever even consider skiing off piste on a 161cm ski with a 65mm waist, much less with a non-releasable binding? Obviously it can be done - you did and had a great experience, (as apparently do many others). Then again, the whole setup is kinda pricey. I guess at one point the Swiss PDG might have been on these...

 

 

( Put the gun down - I know no one's going to Rando on those today! ;-)

 

Don't mean to be negative - just trying to wrap my head around it all. I guess in this era of multi-thousand dollar bikes it's not so out of line.

 

Regardless of the price, have to admire the elegance of the binding design...

 

 

 

BTW, awesome video of the PDG race. Thanks for providing the link in the previous post!  Thumbs Up


Edited by jc-ski - 10/18/13 at 10:17am
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I know the getting there/up is the real appeal of this setup, but on the other hand who here your (I'm about the same) size would ever even consider skiing off piste on a 161cm ski with a 65mm waist, much less with a non-releasable binding?

 

 

Price aside the skinny ski is a lot less of an issue than you might think.

I've skied my mid 70mm 167cm many times off Rainier, Hood, Adams, St Helens and any number of tours here in the Cascades, in Idaho and Rogers Pass mid winter.

 

And the "non-releasable" isn't.  It releases just fine.  All the super light race bindings do.  Just not a DIN norm.  They have come off when required.  Nothing broken, strained, sprained or injured.  Always clean releases when they were needed.  Speed Superlight isn't much more weight and a more typical Dynafit release heel and toe.

 

Most guys my size don't do a lot of aerobic/endurance/uphill stuff stuff anyway.  Too much weight to haul around.

 

I have been skiing a 74mm waisted ski for years and it works fine mid winter and summer off anything I can ski.  Deep or steep. The steepest terrain  I have skied and the longest back country tours I have done were all on 167cm  or shorter skis and mid 70s or less under foot.  A good bit of that skiing was in the "no fall" zone.

 

Right now I am waiting on two pair of skis to show that are right at 1000g per ski.  My Broad Peak is 74 under foot and 1150g per skis 167cm.  The Nanga Parbat is 171 and 80 under foot the Cho Oyu is  174cm, 89mm under foot.   I skied the Cho Oyu this for a few weeks and would willingly take either of the new skis anywhere there is snow...any kind of snow.

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And the "non-releasable" isn't.  It releases just fine.  All the super light race bindings do.  Just not a DIN norm.  They have come off when required.  Nothing broken, strained, sprained or injured.  Always clean releases when they were needed.  Speed Superlight isn't much more weight and a more typical Dynafit release heel and toe.

 

I'm woefully ignorant about Dynafit bindings regardless of model; was just repeating something I read on one of the product web pages (may have been a comment - from another ignoramus! ;-) In any event good to know it does release - I guess the "nothing broken" goes for the binding as well as the skier? Skier more important, but would be a shame to trash that binding with say a minor twisting fall.

 

And even though I'm not there yet myself I like to believe in the idea that a good skier can ski pretty much anything on pretty much anything. Sounds  like you're over that bar, so you can choose what to ski where taking many things into consideration. Nothing but good, that.

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@Dane I'm curious what do you mean by 4.4oz per foot? That seems light for a boot, binding, and ski combined? 

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The Incredible Lightness of ... Skiing!   :rolleyes

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@Dane I'm curious what do you mean by 4# 4oz per foot? That seems light for a boot, binding, and ski combined?

 

Please pardon my mistake it should have read 4# 4oz per foot.  Not  4. 4oz per foot

 

One ski and one binding is 2# 2oz

One size 29 boot is 2# 2oz


Edited by Dane - 10/18/13 at 7:16pm
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>In any event good to know it does release

 

More here:

http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2011/07/tech-bindings-aka-dynafit-bindings.html

 

http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2013/05/tech-bindings-again.html

 

The Low Tech race in locked mode skis more like a DIN 9 or a 10 IMO not anywhere close to a  DIN 17 with my size 28 and 29 boots.  BSL is 309/317mm.  The leverage and my size helps IMO.  That from having skied 9/10 DIN in the past.  Now I ski a 6.5 DIN given the chance.

 

>I guess the "nothing broken" goes for the binding as well as the skier? ...would be a shame to trash that binding with say a minor twisting fall.

 

The Titanium spring could wear better.  But easier to just put a steel spring in the Low Tech bindings than worry about it.   I use both metals/weights depending on the skis use.

 

>I like to believe in the idea that a good skier can ski pretty much anything on pretty much anything.

 

My last Rossignol GS skis from '93 are 68mm under foot and 207cm.  I was originally turned off by super short skis.  Still find the 65mm rather  strange these days until  I make my first turn.  I spent decades on skis @ 70 -/+ under foot.  My normal down hill skis these days are 110mm /115mm these days and 190+cm long.  Some of those I tour on as well.  Just not when I am in a hurry to get anywhere or the biggest climbs.

 

I think given the chance almost anyone can ski these kinds of lwt set ups in some pretty dramatic conditions with ease.  I am always rather shocked just how goo/easy these light weight set ups can be.  They aren't just for racing.  I'll be using this boot and binding and a 70 or 80mm something on the Haute Route this Spring.

 

These tracks were made by a pair of 168cm ski  in the mid 70s under foot and Low Tech bindings.  5K feet up and 5 down on two different runs, 4 up and 6K vert down on the 3rd.  16K vert on three runs! :D

 

 

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