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Has anyone skied in Jackson Hole Mountain Resort [asked by UK skiers]

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I was just wondering if anyone had experience of skiing in Jackson Hole. We were there in the summer and place looked amazing. We went up in the lift from Teton Village but it was hard to tell, I know it's classed as a Expert resort. It would be great to combine a trip to Yellowstone in winter (if it ever opens) with skiing.

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I was just wondering if anyone had experience of skiing in Jackson Hole. .

Nope, no one.

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Not me. Do they get much snow?

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I was just wondering if anyone had experience of skiing in Jackson Hole. .
Nope, no one.

LOL!
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Bridges, welcome to Epic. JH is one of the premier expert skier resorts in North America. Go to Yellowstone and spend a few days at Jackson--it's incredible.

Mike
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We are going to YP for the 3rd time next June, we just love the place. We are from the UK so I'm afraid we are dipping into the pension fund to pay for it. There was snow on the mountain when we were there last September but no one skiing. How I wish we didn't have that trans Atlantic flight to see that part of the world.

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FWIW, the, um, "readers" of Ski ragazine voted it #1 this year, so it is probably adequate.  :rolleyes

 

Seriously, it's certainly worth the trip. Like most of North America, February and March are generally reliable for good snow, and, of course, from the UK, skiing in NA ain't cheap.

 

Grand Targhee makes an excellent side trip. It is known for excellent powder skiing and more mellow terrain than Jackson Hole.

 

If you're going to come skiing, you might want to do more research on North American ski areas. The fact that you don't know about Jackson Hole suggests that the idea of skiing here is new to you. It's a different experience than Europe, but it is some of the best skiing in the world.

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Thank you so much.

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Seeing Yellowstone during the winter is unbelievably beautiful and also very surreal. Even the most minor geothermal feature bellows steam in the dead of winter. Old Faithful is a totally different experience. 

 

Most people that visit Yellowstone in the winter either stay at the North entrance (Gardiner, Montana or at the Mommoth Lodge in the park) or the West entrance (West Yellowstone, Montana or the Old Faithful Lodge.) From the North entrance you can drive through the Lamar Valley and look for wolf packs. From the West Entrance you can either take a snow coach through the Madison River Valley to Old Faithful or join a snowmobile tour.

 

Getting to Jackson from West Yellowstone takes 2 1/2 to 4 hours depending on road conditions. It is highly advised to do the driving during the day if it is snowing as much of the drive is through wind-prone areas. Getting to Jackson from Gardiner is a good 6 to 8 hour journey. Jackson is legendary and apparently a must-ski destination for many Europeans considering the number of Germans I've ran into the couple times I've skied there. 

 

If you are looking to combine skiing with a winter Yellowstone trip consider skiing at Big Sky and Bridger Bowl. Bridger is just outside Bozeman, where the airport most winter visitors fly into is. Big Sky in on the road from Bozeman to West Yellowstone. If you search this forum you can find lots of comments on both resort.

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Check the unoffical guide on this site, using the tab at the top of the page.

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Check the unoffical guide on this site, using the tab at the top of the page.

Here is the direct link

 

http://epicski.onthesnow.com/a/jackson-hole-mountain-resort-an-unofficial-guide-to-skiing-jackson-hole

 

excelent for first timers

post #12 of 36
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Yellowstone in winter is certainly on our bucket list, don't think the other half would cope Skiing in The Tetons though. Taking the cable car up in summer was spectacular but I  do remember her saying "my god those are steep runs to ski". It really is a beautiful place...but I think you do really need to be pretty advanced. It's a long way to go to sit and watch!  We've just heard on the news that the USA is open for business again, really good news for all those having to suffer without pay. Hopefully the National Parks will be fully operative once again and the towns that survive on tourist income will enjoy better times.

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We've just heard on the news that the USA is open for business again, really good news for all those having to suffer without pay. Hopefully the National Parks will be fully operative once again and the towns that survive on tourist income will enjoy better times.

We are?  Thought that was just the Senate.  Still has to have a House version and Obama sign it.  

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Yellowstone in winter is certainly on our bucket list, don't think the other half would cope Skiing in The Tetons though. Taking the cable car up in summer was spectacular but I  do remember her saying "my god those are steep runs to ski". It really is a beautiful place...but I think you do really need to be pretty advanced. It's a long way to go to sit and watch!  We've just heard on the news that the USA is open for business again, really good news for all those having to suffer without pay. Hopefully the National Parks will be fully operative once again and the towns that survive on tourist income will enjoy better times.

Welcome to EpicSki!  If you look over the Unofficial Guide for Jackson, there are areas there for timid skiers as well.  Just perhaps not off the tram.  Another place to consider in the area is Grand Targhee.  Much more mellow terrain and lots of powder potential.  Very friendly atmosphere.  In decent weather, about an hour's drive from Jackson.  So possible to take day trips.

 

Big Sky is another possibility.  That's got a wide variety of terrain from long easy beginner slopes to steep chutes and everything in between.  Can do day trips to Yellowstone from Big Sky to enjoy the sights in the park under winter cover and with few people.

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Bridges, I highly recommend Yellowstone in winter.  I visit Yellowstone nearly every fall, but I've only had one winter visit, and it is quite different.  I highly recommend staying in the park at the Snow Lodge -- it's quite an experience.  Do you cross country ski?  There's a lot of maintained trails around the Snow Lodge, and the snow coaches can be reserved to drop you at a location from whence you ski back to the hotel. The Snow Lodge is at Old Faithful, so you have quite a few geothermal features within easy striking distance of the hotel.  And you can take a snowmobile trip to Canyon.

 

The Snow Lodge is only accessible by snow coach or snowmobile.  There are private snow coaches  and snowmobiles, or you can use the concessionaire's snow coach.

 

Jackson has absolutely fantastic expert terrain.  It has some decent intermediate terrain, but I wouldn't think of it as a mountain for intermediates.  You have a couple of options to combine a winter Yellowstone trip with alpine skiing.  One is to plan on spending 3 days in Yellowstone -- I view that as a minimum, and even that is probably a bit short.  Most of the first and last day will be consumed with getting to/from the Snow Lodge.  So, you could make 4-5 days in Yellowstone.  That might leave 2-3 days for skiing at Jackson.  That's probably ok for the intermediate terrain.

 

An alternative is to skip Jackson and ski Big Sky.  It's Northwest of the park -- and you'd come through Bozeman.  Big Sky is about 40 miles south of Bozeman, and West Yellowstone (the west entrance of Yellowstone) is another 40-45 miles south of Big Sky.  So it's pretty doable.  Big Sky is also a fantastic ski mountain, but it has a lot more intermediate terrain than Jackson.  You don't have the Tetons, but you do have Lone Peak.  And you still can do Yellowstone.  

 

So, options.  And there are more than that, but let me know what you think about this and I (or others) can provide more info.

 

Mike

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Nope, no one.

 

I can't believe the place is still around. Can you imagine going 50 years without your first customer?

 

I kid, but I found the wording of the title pretty funny.

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I can't believe the place is still around. Can you imagine going 50 years without your first customer?

 

I kid, but I found the wording of the title pretty funny.

Yes, I wasn't trying to be mean, but ... come on ... 

post #18 of 36
Well, they are in the UK, but I would have thought it was like asking about Chamonix to a bunch of Europeans. Maybe they didn't realize this is mostly a North American forum? Like I think snowheads is mostly UK?
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Well, they are in the UK, but I would have thought it was like asking about Chamonix to a bunch of Europeans. Maybe they didn't realize this is mostly a North American forum? Like I think snowheads is mostly UK?

 

I think it was probably just worded a little off.

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Bridges, I highly recommend Yellowstone in winter.  I visit Yellowstone nearly every fall, but I've only had one winter visit, and it is quite different.  I highly recommend staying in the park at the Snow Lodge -- it's quite an experience.  Do you cross country ski?  There's a lot of maintained trails around the Snow Lodge, and the snow coaches can be reserved to drop you at a location from whence you ski back to the hotel. The Snow Lodge is at Old Faithful, so you have quite a few geothermal features within easy striking distance of the hotel.  And you can take a snowmobile trip to Canyon.

 

The Snow Lodge is only accessible by snow coach or snowmobile.  There are private snow coaches  and snowmobiles, or you can use the concessionaire's snow coach.

 

Jackson has absolutely fantastic expert terrain.  It has some decent intermediate terrain, but I wouldn't think of it as a mountain for intermediates.  You have a couple of options to combine a winter Yellowstone trip with alpine skiing.  One is to plan on spending 3 days in Yellowstone -- I view that as a minimum, and even that is probably a bit short.  Most of the first and last day will be consumed with getting to/from the Snow Lodge.  So, you could make 4-5 days in Yellowstone.  That might leave 2-3 days for skiing at Jackson.  That's probably ok for the intermediate terrain.

 

An alternative is to skip Jackson and ski Big Sky.  It's Northwest of the park -- and you'd come through Bozeman.  Big Sky is about 40 miles south of Bozeman, and West Yellowstone (the west entrance of Yellowstone) is another 40-45 miles south of Big Sky.  So it's pretty doable.  Big Sky is also a fantastic ski mountain, but it has a lot more intermediate terrain than Jackson.  You don't have the Tetons, but you do have Lone Peak.  And you still can do Yellowstone.

 

So, options.  And there are more than that, but let me know what you think about this and I (or others) can provide more info.

 

Mike

Habacomike,

 

You make it sounds so inviting and how lucky you are to have all this so accessible. Can you believe our trips to Montana/Wyoming cost us in excess of $8000 for the 2 of us.  The transatlantic flight alone from UK to Denver is over $2000 then we have the internal flight from Denver to Jackson Hole and that's before we set foot on the snow. I am afraid we have to stick to Europe and even then we have to fly to the alps. That's what happens when you live on an Island.

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As much as I love Jackson and all mountains in the winter, I think visitors to the USA should come in the summer or early fall.  The weather in summer in the Rockies is usually *spectacular*, and traveling about (including camping) is so much easier.  Also winter in places like Jackson can get terribly cold--the official record for Jackson is -63F = -53C.  Actually West Yellowstone has hit -70F.

 

But if your dream is skiing the American West then do so.  If you start in Jackson you can drive to the great Utah areas in 6 hours, and most Colorado areas are a day's drive from those.  If I were travel to North America for skiing at *one* place for one week in my life, I would have a difficult choice between Jackson and Aspen.  Both spots have breathtaking beauty and great skiing.  The great Utah areas are wild and lovely with great snow, but lack the same jaw-dropping scenery, just IMO.  Tahoe is another good option.  It is beautiful and sunny, but is not quite the equal of St. Moritz.  But the Tetons are an amazing sight that never gets old, and the great 14ers around Aspen like Maroon Bells are masterpieces.  Of course the reverse is true: no one can honestly say that American mountains and lakes are prettier than the Alps.

 

I hope you are able to enjoy another trip here!

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 I know it's classed as a Expert resort.

it is very challenging, to me at least. Blue rated trails here could easily be black in other resorts

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There is a huge amount of fun intermediate skiing at Jackson Hole, and you would have a wonderful time there.

Speaking as another ocean-crosser, however, since you're flying into Denver anyway why not just rent a car and check out Colorado resorts.

Depending on how much time you have, you could hit a dozen or more excellent mountains, staying in lodging from inexpensively comfortable to ultra luxury, with short drives between each.

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I would not recommend Jackson as a first ski trip to North America for anyone below advanced intermediate.  But if you're skiing challenging off-piste in the Alps you will love Jackson.  Jackson is one of the relatively few places here that will give you the feeling of big mountain scale that is more common in the Alps.

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Of course the reverse is true: no one can honestly say that American mountains and lakes are prettier than the Alps. 

Average mountain scenery in the Alps is like the best in North America: Lake Louise, Telluride, Heavenly.  Places like Chamonix are on a completely different level IMHO.

 

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The transatlantic flight alone from UK to Denver is over $2000 then we have the internal flight from Denver to Jackson Hole and that's before we set foot on the snow.  

That does seem bad. For Americans traveling to Europe, winter is low season.  I can get from LA to Geneva or Zurich for $1,100 or so.  However lodging and food costs are high, so there is a similar price barrier for skiers in western North America to go to Europe vs. skiing a lot of places where we don't have to fly at all.  I think about it more these days because the Alps are the major ski region where I have not skied that much yet (just 4 weeks lifetime). 

 

For those in the eastern half of North America, I'm somewhat puzzled that more of them are not skiing in the Alps with similar frequency to the West.

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I am afraid we have to stick to Europe and even then we have to fly to the alps.

 

Sounds like a tough problem to have. ;)

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We are going to YP for the 3rd time next June, we just love the place. We are from the UK so I'm afraid we are dipping into the pension fund to pay for it. There was snow on the mountain when we were there last September but no one skiing. How I wish we didn't have that trans Atlantic flight to see that part of the world.

 

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Habacomike,

 

You make it sounds so inviting and how lucky you are to have all this so accessible. Can you believe our trips to Montana/Wyoming cost us in excess of $8000 for the 2 of us.  The transatlantic flight alone from UK to Denver is over $2000 then we have the internal flight from Denver to Jackson Hole and that's before we set foot on the snow. I am afraid we have to stick to Europe and even then we have to fly to the alps. That's what happens when you live on an Island.

 

That's not a good excuse. ;-)

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I think it was probably just worded a little off.

More than just "a little" off...

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I would not recommend Jackson as a first ski trip to North America for anyone below advanced intermediate.  But if you're skiing challenging off-piste in the Alps you will love Jackson.  Jackson is one of the relatively few places here that will give you the feeling of big mountain scale that is more common in the Alps.

Average mountain scenery in the Alps is like the best in North America: Lake Louise, Telluride, Heavenly.  Places like Chamonix are on a completely different level IMHO.

 

 

This is all fair comment but while tram laps in Jackson are long you still don't quite get the feeling of scale of somewhere like La Grave or Engelberg from summit to village.  Chamonix is in many ways the best and worst of European skiing - absolutely legendary for the the 5%ers at the peak of the game, but can be ho-hum or even more frustrating for an intermediate once weather closures/vis, piste conditions and lift infrastructure are taken into account.

 

Jackson is by no means as polarised  but it doesn't seem to offer the flattering volume of mild runs and sense of "travel" that a lesser resort like say Heavenly or even Breckenridge does.  That said it does have a "character" that is fairly unique.  I'm not sure that this is worth paying a large premium for if you've been a summer visitor and won't be getting full use out of the terrain.  For N American skiers I can see that JH is a bucket list resort, for global skiers I'm not so sure, particularly if you can't pick your storms.

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This is all fair comment but while tram laps in Jackson are long you still don't quite get the feeling of scale of somewhere like La Grave or Engelberg from summit to village.  Chamonix is in many ways the best and worst of European skiing - absolutely legendary for the the 5%ers at the peak of the game, but can be ho-hum or even more frustrating for an intermediate once weather closures/vis, piste conditions and lift infrastructure are taken into account.

 

Jackson is by no means as polarised  but it doesn't seem to offer the flattering volume of mild runs and sense of "travel" that a lesser resort like say Heavenly or even Breckenridge does.  That said it does have a "character" that is fairly unique.  I'm not sure that this is worth paying a large premium for if you've been a summer visitor and won't be getting full use out of the terrain.  For N American skiers I can see that JH is a bucket list resort, for global skiers I'm not so sure, particularly if you can't pick your storms.

 

Are you High?

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Not at all - if we discount the Tram as too intimidating for a Euro blue skier how many lifts have they got to pick from? And how many groomed runs from each lift?  I know Jackson likes to think of itself as a big resort, but what does it look like in the eyes of the Euro intermediate?  I did offer a suggestion to a JH Host doing a visitor survey that a big umbrella bar halfway up the gondola pumping out Eurocheese and allowing everyone to get loaded from mid afternoon might be a unique improvement for the international market but I don't know if it got anywhere;)

 

There are reasons beyond mere geographic why Euros flock to places like Banff area, Whistler, Colorado Front Range and Tahoe south shore and they aren't to do with the roughest toughest skiing available.   Though to be fair those quoted do have the benefit of direct international air links and intermediate friendly marketing.  Though I've spoken to JH reps at ski shows and they've been great for my needs I'm not sure how successful they are in selling the resort on skiing merits alone above say an intermediate paradise like a Big White or Sun Peaks. 


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