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post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by derbycity View Post
 

Just my 2 cents:

 

Steamboat would be my recommendation. The cruising runs are 1st rate. The town is authentic and very walkable. Although it is a couple of miles from the resort, the free shuttle service serves all of Main Street downtown and will drop you at the resort at least as close as a ski-in condo. There are many excellent bars and restaurants along Main Street, all within easy walking distance. The town's elevation is relatively low for Colorado and would be less of a potential burden than the higher resorts. Due to the lower elevation, I would not schedule a trip later than the 1st week of March.

 

No need for a rental car. Fly into nearby Haden and have one of the many, friendly shuttles take you directly to your destination. They will also arrange a pick-up to take you back to the airport when you leave.


As a PC resident I agree, go to Steamboat.  Just kidding, come on out.  Seriously it was a joke.  More or less.

post #32 of 56
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Originally Posted by hokienRIC View Post I'm really intrigued by both Vail and Park City.  I can get direct flights to either, the village/town seems pretty accessible, and they have plenty of beginner/intermediate options for us.   However, it seems like both Steamboat and Breck would also give us what we want but they are both a good bit less expensive.

 

What is your gateway airport?  Direct into EGE or DEN?

 

 

I think you could have a good time at any of your choices, but Breck's high altitude could be a problem.

post #33 of 56

Well, if you are now considering Vail or Park City, I'm going to go back and re-recommend Aspen.  You said the town was very important.  Aspen is an amazing place.  The restaurants are absolutely top notch (and expensive).  There's a lot of non-skiing stuff to do.  And the skiing is world class -- better than Vail or Park City, in my opinion.  And if you can fly into Aspen, it's a shorter distance to your lodgings than Park City.

 

Mike

post #34 of 56
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Well, if you are now considering Vail or Park City, I'm going to go back and re-recommend Aspen.  You said the town was very important.  Aspen is an amazing place.  The restaurants are absolutely top notch (and expensive).  There's a lot of non-skiing stuff to do.  And the skiing is world class -- better than Vail or Park City, in my opinion.  And if you can fly into Aspen, it's a shorter distance to your lodgings than Park City.

 

Mike

Oh I would love to go to Aspen.  To me that has always seemed like THE ski town in US.  However, I'm mostly concerned about the access. We would need two flights into Aspen or one to Denver with that long drive.  Also, Aspen Mountain would likely be too challenging for us - Snowmass would likely the better option there but I don't like the idea of commuting back and forth b/w town and Snowmass (I'm guessing its about 20 minutes each way, correct?).   And I'm not positive I'll get a full week after all; it may end up more like 4-5 days due to babysitting issues for the kiddos back home so I don't want to spend any more time travelling to or around that I don't have to.  If i can swing a full week, and figure out a way to afford it, Aspen is still on the table.  

 

For the same reason, sounds like I should avoid the super high elevation locations in case one of us need time to acclimate.  On that note, is there any difference in altitude affects b/w summer an winter?   I spent a week at Snowbird in the summer once, including a good deal of hiking well above base level, and never had any issues (other than the dry air giving me nosebleeds).  

 

Again, thanks to everyone for all your feedback.  It's very helpful and appreciated! 

post #35 of 56
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For the same reason, sounds like I should avoid the super high elevation locations in case one of us need time to acclimate.  On that note, is there any difference in altitude affects b/w summer an winter?   I spent a week at Snowbird in the summer once, including a good deal of hiking well above base level, and never had any issues (other than the dry air giving me nosebleeds).  

 

Again, thanks to everyone for all your feedback.  It's very helpful and appreciated! 

Not really any difference between seasons.  At least I felt the altitude during a summer trip to Denver, with day trips into the mountains in the same way as I feel during ski trips when I sleep over 6000 ft.  I have the impression that some people react differently as they get older.

 

There is good info in the EpicSki Article about dealing with high altitude by a physician in Colorado:

 

http://epicski.onthesnow.com/a/altitude-adaptation-and-acute-mountain-sickness

post #36 of 56
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I hate to flake out on my own thread, but looks like I may have a change in plans.  I'll either have to shorten the trip to  4-5 days or bring my 3 young kids along (5, 3 and 3), which would also be a ton of fun - just different.  

 

From the replies here, it sounds like we can't go wrong with the Park City area regardless and they have the easiest and least expensive direct flights for us by far.  In fact, I can get 5 nonstop flights to SLC for about the same or less than 2 flights into EGE or HDN.  

 

For lodging, etc. once there, Canyons seems to offer the best pricing and is probably our only affordable option if we bring the kids.  I know Deer Valley is supposed to be the great family resort but I think they'd just be too expensive if bringing our kids.  Is Canyons just not as popular as DV and PCMR? Their lodging prices in particular are much lower.  We also probably wouldn't try any other mountains if the kids come.  

 

Anyone have experience at the Canyons with young children that can comment on how accommodating it is there for kids or not?   I'd probably do lessons for the 5 year old and day care for the 3 year olds, possibly with the add-on 1-hr private lesson just to get them some exposure.  Also would the Canyons be a good fit for my beginner/intermediate wife and advanced intermediate self?  Looks like there is limited beginner terrain but plenty of intermediate? 

 

Again, thanks so much for all the insight I've received here.  This site is incredibly helpful! 

post #37 of 56
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I hate to flake out on my own thread, but looks like I may have a change in plans.  I'll either have to shorten the trip to  4-5 days or bring my 3 young kids along (5, 3 and 3), which would also be a ton of fun - just different.  

 

From the replies here, it sounds like we can't go wrong with the Park City area regardless and they have the easiest and least expensive direct flights for us by far.  In fact, I can get 5 nonstop flights to SLC for about the same or less than 2 flights into EGE or HDN.  

 

For lodging, etc. once there, Canyons seems to offer the best pricing and is probably our only affordable option if we bring the kids.  I know Deer Valley is supposed to be the great family resort but I think they'd just be too expensive if bringing our kids.  Is Canyons just not as popular as DV and PCMR? Their lodging prices in particular are much lower.  We also probably wouldn't try any other mountains if the kids come.  

 

Anyone have experience at the Canyons with young children that can comment on how accommodating it is there for kids or not?   I'd probably do lessons for the 5 year old and day care for the 3 year olds, possibly with the add-on 1-hr private lesson just to get them some exposure.  Also would the Canyons be a good fit for my beginner/intermediate wife and advanced intermediate self?  Looks like there is limited beginner terrain but plenty of intermediate? 

 

Again, thanks so much for all the insight I've received here.  This site is incredibly helpful! 

Oh well . . . going to Canyons would be great fun from what I've read.  Perhaps @SportyandMisty can help.  The Ambassadors list was recently updated (see top of Resorts section) so easier to find the right person to ask questions via PM if they don't happen to see your thread.

 

For a trip that's more about skiing, with most of the other time spent in a nice condo as family, you might check out Solitude and see what packages are available.  The little village center is small but cute.  Brighton is just up the road.  Both are great places for intermediates.  A lot of locals take their kids to the Brighton ski school.  I think the lesson rates are lower than Canyons.  Older kids take the bus after school and hang out since Brighton has a fair number of trails that are lit for night skiing.  I recommend getting a rental car.  That means you can also take a day trip to Park City for future reference.  Not necessarily to ski, but for other fun stuff over there like the Olympic museum.

 

It's fair to say that plenty of people enjoy every major ski resort around, but the posts on EpicSki are not by a random sample of those who have to fly in order to ski on a big mountain.  That's one reason you will see much more discussion of Alta/Snowbird than Canyons or Deer Valley here.

post #38 of 56

Take the short trip and wait till your kids are a little older for the family trip.  3 kids under 5 would be a lot of work.

post #39 of 56

Just found this thread.  

 

All 3 of the Park City resorts (Deer Valley, Park City Mountain Resort which is usually referred to as PCMR, and Canyons Resort - previously known as The Canyons) are very family friendly. The town is also family friendly, and at the same time you'll find that with a baby sitter it is adult friendly as well.  There are free buses and shuttles among all 3 resorts - they are just a few miles from one another -- and among the retail areas you might wish to visit.  Make sure to visit Old Town.  They are all very good for both kids & adults.  I mostly ski Canyons Resort and Deer Valley (note that Deer Valley doesn't allow snowboarders), and sometimes ski PCMR.

 

New for the 2013-14 season is that Canyons Resort is now owned by Vail Resorts.  Technically, the real estate company that owns Canyons Resort signed a long-term lease with Vail to have Vail operate the resort & all the resort properties (Grand Summit Hotel, retail operations, on-mountain operations, etc).  For all intents and purposes, consider it a Vail property going forward.  

 

Canyons Resort is usually thought of as the most family friendly.  Deer Valley's reputation is that it has the best groomed intermediate blues.  They are relentless in their grooming.

 

Based on your description, I think you should consider going to Deer Valley your first 2 days.  Relatively speaking, they have more green beginner runs and easy blues - so your wife will have many choices.   Once you have your ski legs, then try going to Canyons Resort and PCMR.  Canyons doesn't have as many green runs as Deer Valley (at least it doesn't feel like it) - the mountain is much more intermediate & advanced.  Your wife will be able to do some of the near-to-base intermediates in addition to greens. I prefer Canyons because it is HUGE, but that's just me.  If snowboarders bother her (that is, she is a bit afraid of skiing around snowboarders), then just stay at DV.     

 

If it were me, I would rent a car at the airport & drive the 40 mins to Park City.  You certainly don't need a car in Park City, but the car gives you more flexibility.  Everything in Park City just "works."  

 

One note on the altitude:  not only are you at altitude, it is a dry cold.  Drink lots and lots of water.  If anyone starts to get a headache,  the first thing to do is guzzle a water bottle.

post #40 of 56
As a mother, I'd want a vacation. Three kids that age is not a vacation. Leave them with grandmom. Remember they can't carry their own luggage and winter luggage is heavier than summer luggage. If you could be "beamed" to Park City, it would be different, but the trip there, through airports? If you were coming by car or train, it would be different, but I forget where you're coming from.
post #41 of 56

There are tons of good ski towns out west, the mountains are so much bigger than back east; I was from the Boston area. Park City is a good choice, but I do not see any bad choices listed here.

I love Whistler / Blackcomb in BC, big town, lots of ski in ski out, lots of clubs, food, shops, free bus, more mountain than most can ski in a week.

post #42 of 56

I would go to PCMR. Check out the Marriott Mountainside. It's super-close to the base and if I recall correctly, there are some restaurants that you can walk to for dinner. You can also get the shuttle into town for "fancier" eating.

 

Try to get Marriott Mountainside on sites like www.redweek.com or similar. Better pricing than getting directly from Marriott. You should be flexible for dates as I'm guessing the 5 year old will just miss some of kindergarten. Don't worry, they'll still get into Harvard :)

 

I think PCMR is better than Canyons as I think there are more food options right at the base. I may be wrong, so someone please correct me if I am.

 

Park City has fun things like tubing that the kids will like (not sure of age/height/weight requirements). Also, the bobsled was awesome. That's just for parents...

 

The ease of travel to SLC is amazing. Just get a shuttle to pick you up and take you to hotel. The last thing you need is to be messing with car seats etc.

post #43 of 56
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Originally Posted by hokienRIC View Post
 

I hate to flake out on my own thread, but looks like I may have a change in plans.  I'll either have to shorten the trip to  4-5 days or bring my 3 young kids along (5, 3 and 3), which would also be a ton of fun - just different.  

 

From the replies here, it sounds like we can't go wrong with the Park City area regardless and they have the easiest and least expensive direct flights for us by far.  In fact, I can get 5 nonstop flights to SLC for about the same or less than 2 flights into EGE or HDN.  

 

. . .

With direct flights, a trip that includes 3 1/2 or 4 days of skiing is a reasonable idea.  If you get in early enough, can ski for free at PCMR for a few hours.  There are intermediate and beginner runs near the base that are lit, so don't need be rushed by lifts closing in the afternoon if feeling good.

 

A family trip when all the kids can be in ski school would certainly make the plane fares more worthwhile.  You could use a short trip to scope out a place.  Then make plans to take the kids the following year.

post #44 of 56
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Try to get Marriott Mountainside on sites like www.redweek.com or similar. Better pricing than getting directly from Marriott. You should be flexible for dates as I'm guessing the 5 year old will just miss some of kindergarten. Don't worry, they'll still get into Harvard :)

 

 

Thanks for pointing this out.  I meant to go back and look for timeshare rentals once I realized Marriott Mountainside was a timeshare but forgot.  The prices on redweek.com are quite a bit better than direct.  

post #45 of 56
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I would go to PCMR. Check out the Marriott Mountainside. It's super-close to the base and if I recall correctly, there are some restaurants that you can walk to for dinner. You can also get the shuttle into town for "fancier" eating.

 

Try to get Marriott Mountainside on sites like www.redweek.com or similar. Better pricing than getting directly from Marriott. You should be flexible for dates as I'm guessing the 5 year old will just miss some of kindergarten. Don't worry, they'll still get into Harvard :)

 

I think PCMR is better than Canyons as I think there are more food options right at the base. I may be wrong, so someone please correct me if I am.

 

Park City has fun things like tubing that the kids will like (not sure of age/height/weight requirements). Also, the bobsled was awesome. That's just for parents...

 

The ease of travel to SLC is amazing. Just get a shuttle to pick you up and take you to hotel. The last thing you need is to be messing with car seats etc.

Canyons now has lots of food options at the base, and all are exceptional for what they serve.  This was part of the changes Talisker made, with an emphasis of exceeding customer expectations with the food.  Canyons is larger by skiable acreage, but has less beginner terrain than PCMR or DV.  Both of my kids learned to ski there, and they were on blue runs by the time they were five (one at four with Edgie-Wedgies).  All three have ski schools that cater to kids, have "low" chairs that are easier for kids to board, etc. 

 

The best bobsled run is at the Olympic Park (duh), but is very expensive.  I am not sure my old back can survive it again, but it is fun.  Gorgoza Park, the big area tubing hill, is owned by Powdr and is a short drive away.  A five-year old will love the museum in town and the Alf Engen museum at the Olympic Park. 

post #46 of 56

i think someone mentioned it, but Canyons is pretty devoid of true beginner terrain. Really just one short slope from what i can remember. Just keep it in mind if thats an issue. If someone is halfway comfortable on blues, they would be fine. So if i were planning to hit all 3 hills, id start at the other two and see how it went then hit up canyons if its going well. 

 

Pretty hard to beat DV for a first time out west intermediate. Steamboat would probably be an even better choice, but i understand the cost issue. 

 

I like PC ok, the town is pretty cool, but i find the restaurants in town really over priced for what you get. If you go, take one night to eat a nice dinner at the St.Regis in DV. Extremely cool setting, food was great, and no more expensive than a lot of the higher end places in town. 

post #47 of 56
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For those familiar with the free bus/shuttle system around Park City, is this a typical city bus that would be appropriate for young kids?  I really would rather not rent a car and have to deal with car seats, etc. but would like to get around some.  
post #48 of 56

Appropriate for young kids?  Like no strippers?  What does that mean?  

post #49 of 56
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if youre going to Park City, i see no reason at all to rent a car if your not planning on skiing elsewhere. 

 

The buses are fine. Unfortunately, no strippers.

post #50 of 56
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Appropriate for young kids?  Like no strippers?  What does that mean?  

 

Stripper Bus - Ha...I thought we were discussing Park City not Sin City - I'm pretty sure I have seen those in Vegas though...  

 

I just mean are they the typical commuter type buses or small vans where I would need car seats for the little tykes?   

post #51 of 56
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post
 

Appropriate for young kids?  Like no strippers?  What does that mean?  

 

Stripper Bus - Ha...I thought we were discussing Park City not Sin City - I'm pretty sure I have seen those in Vegas though...  

 

I just mean are they the typical commuter type buses or small vans where I would need car seats for the little tykes?   

 

From a website with an ad for hiring Park City bus drivers:

"Park City Transit is currently seeking drivers with a great attitude and exceptional customer service for our seasonal bus operations. Must be 21 years of age."

 

post #52 of 56
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For a really memorable adult ski trip Aspen is hard to beat.  At your ability level I'd recommend staying in Snowmass and just ride the bus several nights into Aspen for apres-ski. There are tons of upscale shops, restaurants and bars in Aspen.

 

Yes. Snowmass Village is a little resort town on its own. If you are skiing Snowmass (which would be a good call), just stay there and take the bus into Aspen for the nightlife.

 

Steamboat is another one to look into.

 

Because it sounds like you want a good ski town as well as good skiing, consider Telluride. The town retains a very authentic feel because most of the resort development happens at Mountain Village at a different base of the ski area. The town and Mountain Village are connected by a Gondola that is free to ride into town (no lift ticket required). Telluride has a lot of beginner and intermediate terrain, as well as everything you could ask for above that. The town of Telluride is mostly original mining-era buildings, and the views are amazing.

post #53 of 56
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For those familiar with the free bus/shuttle system around Park City, is this a typical city bus that would be appropriate for young kids?  I really would rather not rent a car and have to deal with car seats, etc. but would like to get around some.  

 

 

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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post
 

Appropriate for young kids?  Like no strippers?  What does that mean?  

 

Stripper Bus - Ha...I thought we were discussing Park City not Sin City - I'm pretty sure I have seen those in Vegas though...  

 

I just mean are they the typical commuter type buses or small vans where I would need car seats for the little tykes?   

 

I live in Park City for ski season, and Las Vegas the rest of the year.  A little known fact: the expansion of Las Vegas back in the 50s & 60s was largely due to capital infusion from Utah based banks, and Las Vegas has a large & active LDS population (LDS=Mormon). 

 

But, back on topic -- yes, the bus system uses regular full size city buses that are ski-gear friendly.  You do not need a child seat for your kids.

post #54 of 56

For anyone traveling to Park City for the first time, you may wish to look at http://www.visitparkcity.com/ to gather some basic information prior to your trip.

 

 

If you decide not to rent a car, this may be a good option for transportation back & forth to the airport:  http://www.visitparkcity.com/visitors/specials-and-promotions/hot-deals/#catID6.   There are others, of course.

 

(EDITED to delete information about the now-discontinued Park City Chamber of Commerce quick-start program)


Edited by SportyandMisty - 11/2/13 at 12:08pm
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post #56 of 56

Wow.  I didn't know this.  I'll edit my original post.

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