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Need Help With Binding Plate for Elan System

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

The screw for the toe piece doesn't tighten.  It screws in and then just spins as if the hole is to big.  I'm trying to figure out is I should go to a slightly larger screw, find some special way of narrowing the hole, or replace the plate.  I love these skis and just had them tuned.  The shop didn't do this; I did.  I'm not sure how but I was the only one that touched them.  I took them off before they went to the shop for a tune.  The screw with the q tip wooden post pointing to it is the bad hole.  I tried other screws of the same size with identical results.

 

I think you can see in this shot that the metal plate with the bad hole is connected all the way through and the entire system would have to be replaced.

 

Looking for suggestions.  I'm fine with taking it to a shop but if it is an easy fix, I would like to just take care of it.

 

Thanks,

Ken

post #2 of 10
Just tap it out for a slightly bigger screw ken.?
post #3 of 10

   Hmmm....not too sure. You could try what scotsskier suggests (carefully)--what about filling the hole with 2 part jb-weld, waiting for it to harden, then re-tapping for the same sized screw from there? 

 

   zenny

post #4 of 10
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Originally Posted by zentune View Post

   Hmmm....not too sure. You could try what scotsskier suggests (carefully)--what about filling the hole with 2 part jb-weld, waiting for it to harden, then re-tapping for the same sized screw from there? 

   zenny

That's a binding screw, I sure would not want jb weld holding it together

Helicoil it or a larger diameter screw cause the toe piece may pull out on you
post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by near nyquist View Post
 
 
That's a binding screw, I sure would not want jb weld holding it together

Helicoil it or a larger diameter screw cause the toe piece may pull out on you

 

   I was concerned a helicoil might make the area around the outside of the hole too thin. JB when cured, is very strong--then it can be drilled and tapped......

 

    zenny

post #6 of 10

Quick note, one of two things happened, metal corrosion (threads, plate or both).  If its the screw replace it, if its both replace the screw.  If its the plate you have a few options depending on how bad the thread is stripped.  An old and dirty solution is to use a bit of wire (stranded) and place it in the hole (adding JB weld or some other metal replace products does help and adds a bit more strength) reinsert  the screw and tighten.

 

This does work in some instances and very well when it does.

 

This comes from the days before heli-coil inserts, when solutions were a little more limited.

 

That said, shops won't do this for liability, however, for your own skis if you feel comfortable (safe) with it, then it is at your own risk.

post #7 of 10
Ken, another "bush mechanic" solution. Put a bolt UP through the plate, then tighten down with a nut and spring washer from above. May want to use job weld to hold the bolt in place. In worst case ( and let the shocked gasps and hating from he purists begin! smile.gif. ) don't even worry about it. That is one of the forward screws and if you look at the forces, the loss of hold down is negligible and I strongly suspect you will not even notice!
post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the suggestions.  There isn't room to get anything underneath.  I think I'm going to try the stranded wire technique.  I'll set them with the torque wrench to make sure too.  I did try different screws and had the same results.

post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

I checked the manual and realized the risk is lower than I originally thought.  If you look at the picture from the manual, you can see the screw of concern is there to keep the toe piece from sliding back and forth and the T bolts in front keep the toe piece in place.  #1 in the white circle points to the T bolts.  You can't see the screws that would hold the binding in front of the AFD.  It still needs to be able to hold but my concern of the toe binding coming off is much lower.

 

post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by L&AirC View Post

I checked the manual and realized the risk is lower than I originally thought.  If you look at the picture from the manual, you can see the screw of concern is there to keep the toe piece from sliding back and forth and the T bolts in front keep the toe piece in place.  #1 in the white circle points to the T bolts.  You can't see the screws that would hold the binding in front of the AFD.  It still needs to be able to hold but my concern of the toe binding coming off is much lower.



I finally had some time to fix this. Problem is, what I thought was the problem isn't a problem. In the first picture I point to the screw hole hat I thought was stripped. Ends up those two holes aren't even used! They don't even line up with the screws I'm having problems with! It's a case of common components in the manufacturing process. I'm sure those holes are used in some binding system set up, just not this one.

The screw does spin without tightening but it is supposed to hold the binding to the plastic plate under the binding. If you look at the picture in post #9 and what I posted there, it isn't that the 1 in the white circle is blocking the view of the screw; you don't see it because it doesn't penetrate all the way throughout the plastic plate under the binding.

Kind of "much ado about nothing", but it does need to be taken care of. I'm going to use a slightly longer screw so it penetrates enough to bite into plastic that hasn't been cut by the threads yet, so it doesn't un-spin and cause problems when I'm trying to click my boots into the binding. The three screws that hold the toe binding to the ski are all fine and tighten to the appropriate torque.

Ken
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