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post #1 of 19
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I finally made the commitment to go Tech this season after getting everything repaired on my body (well, at least functional) I just picked up a pair of Dynafit Titan UL on closeout stupid cheap and will be buying Radical ST's.  

 

I plan to tour 2 hours or less and not in super steep stuff figure 25-30* and for now, hunting for fresh lines. The snow here is lite of course. So I currently have a 184 DPS112 Hybrid and a Nordi Unleashed Hell in 185 (which is an Icore Patron).  the DPS is 4200 grams; the Unleashed  weighs 3960 (according to a post on TGR; nordica brags about the weight but doesn't publish, the do have some weight per cm on the ski but WTF?) 

 

So, the dps is 9.25#  and the Unleashed is 8.14#.  Almost same width  112/3 and sidecut; different profiles and construction of course. But Not sure if a ski of 105ish with a less rockered tail is better though?

 

For what I am looking to do, do either of these ski's offer an advantage/disadvantage? Should I be looking for something else; perhaps in the 100-105ish width?  My feeling is that the Unleashed may be the best choice and I shouldn't really factor the width/profile given the objective but I'm a newb....


Edited by Finndog - 10/8/13 at 7:22am
post #2 of 19

You should get a Voile Charger BC ski. http://www.voile.com/voile-skis/voile-charger-bc-skis-2013-2014.html

 

Not because either of the skis you are asking about would be bad choices, heck, they're great choices, but you need more skis. It's simple math really:

 

n+1=x

x= the ideal number of skis you should own.

n= the number of skis you currently own.

post #3 of 19
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yeah i have 4 pairs now...  huge quiver!  not so much....  

 

thinking Cham 107HM

post #4 of 19
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Hey Whiteroom, just curious, if the weight of the Unleashed is correct (still can't confirm it; mine are mounted) and can't find a published weight anywhere; they weigh 8.1 which makes them pretty light. Does a ski like a Voile offer any advantage? 

post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
 

Hey Whiteroom, just curious, if the weight of the Unleashed is correct (still can't confirm it; mine are mounted) and can't find a published weight anywhere; they weigh 8.1 which makes them pretty light. Does a ski like a Voile offer any advantage? 

 

 

no need for skins, perfect for mellow terrain.

 

just do not go backwards.

post #6 of 19
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thats the BC version that in reviews says in light powder are useless.  great concept for sure... 

 

 

I just cant believe the unleashed at 8.14#'s..  I just looked at the tails and it says 2386 grams per cm .93cms or something like that ; if I use that is comes out to about 9.75# which us a tad heavier than a dps 112 in 184 hybrid

post #7 of 19
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thats the BC version that in reviews says in light powder are useless.  great concept for sure... 

 

 

I just cant believe the unleashed at 8.14#'s..  I just looked at the tails and it says 2386 grams per cm .93cms or something like that ; if I use that is comes out to about 9.75# which us a tad heavier than a dps 112 in 184 hybrid

 

 

lots of skier ligher than the DPS hybrid. why are you not looking at the carbon anyways?

 

either starting thinking about carbon DPS, carbon Lhasa, or carbon Magic, or the V werks katana or just stop thinking and get the unleashes.... its lighter patron, it going to rock for most touring days.

post #8 of 19
I'm going to be a dick here and say that you should ski on the ones you have, get to know them, and then come back with questions based on whatever issues you encounter.

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post #9 of 19

I meant to post a real response and say mount the Unleashed Hell and go ski, it's a great choice for what you say you want to do.

post #10 of 19
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I am so glad you weren't a dick....  ;)  issues are why go through the expense and hassle of doing quiver killers and such if the DPS for instance is going to feel like a pig going up. You speak with a lot of people who do a lot of AT (like yourself) and most say 112 is too wide, the ski's too heavy etc...  

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I'm going to be a dick here and say that you should ski on the ones you have, get to know them, and then come back with questions based on whatever issues you encounter.

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Thanks! And BTW- that voile is a really nice ski.  

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I meant to post a real response and say mount the Unleashed Hell and go ski, it's a great choice for what you say you want to do.

 

I do really like the looks of the New DF Grand Teton though ;)

post #11 of 19
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because I already have these two.  

 

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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 

 

lots of skier ligher than the DPS hybrid. why are you not looking at the carbon anyways?

 

either starting thinking about carbon DPS, carbon Lhasa, or carbon Magic, or the V werks katana or just stop thinking and get the unleashes.... its lighter patron, it going to rock for most touring days.

post #12 of 19

with dynafit binding niether will feel like a pig.

post #13 of 19
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with dynafit binding niether will feel like a pig.

^This. As to whether 112s are too wide, it sorta depends on what and where you're skiing, donut? I guess I ignored the mounting issues because I do my own mounting. redface.gif

My everyday AT skis are 100 at the waist, if that means anything, but if I had some DPS 112s I bet I'd ski the shit out of them.
post #14 of 19

DPS Wailer + tech for the win.  Have Onyx on Wailer 105 Pure.  Will put Dynafit TLTs on when G3 Barons are trashed and dont need them any longer.  Cant believe it took me 5 years to convert from frame AT bindings to tech but conversion is now complete.


Edited by Taxman - 10/9/13 at 12:15am
post #15 of 19
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TO ALL: I really appreciate your help.  

 

OK, then its just a matter of the DPS or the Unleashed then Weight-wise, they are close even for the Hybrid DPS.

 

Taxman, yeah one thing I have never heard is "geeze, I should have waited to go to tech"  ;)

post #16 of 19

I've been all over the place with BC skis the last couple of years - Movement Source, Manaslu, and JJs.  This year, I'm trying the 180 Soul 7.  Nearly flat tail, honeycomb construction in the tip and tail, with hard wood under feet and about 2000 g.  106 under feet.  Hope it will be sweet.

post #17 of 19
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yep!  thanks.  

post #18 of 19
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I ended up snagging a Volk Nunataq here in town for 450.00  If anyone is looking for this ski, let me know but Backdoor sports in Steamboat has a bunch of them left in both the 178 (which actually measures 180 btw) and the 186.  I couldn't find a ski that has won more accolades than this one, I will use this as my everydayer AT ski (given that I wont be going out when its hard or boney) and then set the DPS's up for deep days.  This ski weighs 7.9#   cool chart if you haven't seen it

 

http://www.wildsnow.com/more/backcountry-skiing-gear-weights/


Edited by Finndog - 10/11/13 at 12:05pm
post #19 of 19

Plenty of guys are skiing Dynafits on a Lotus 138 (about 2,080g in carbon) or 120, so get Dynafits for the up and a ski you'll be happy with for the down.  You don't want to be skiing after a big climb and think to youself, "damn - I wish I had those Unleashed Hell's right now."

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