Originally Posted by Jamt
This is a super-stivot not a stivot.
In a super-stivot the ski direction increases (in the direction of the new turn), then rapidly decreases and then increases again.
In a stivot the ski direction increases throughout the turn.
He finishes with a more or less weighted release and he does this very much aft. This aft is intentional and turned into inclination when he engages the ski almost 90 degrees to the direction of it when he released.
To get into the super-stivot is not difficult, it is quite similar to a hockey stop without upper body rotary. The trick is getting out of it. This is a combination of fore-aft management and edging control and a bit of pressure management. He hooks up the skis very much fore, and with subtle fore-aft management and edging control the tips break loose and snap into the direction the CoM is going. The forces are huge, you cannot muscle the ski around.
This can be practiced in a less intimidating way. Just go straight down the fall line and initiate a hockey stop using only lower body. Also be aft when you throw the skis around so that you get into inclination rapidly. Manage edging/fore-aft so that the skis snap straight down and initiate a carving turn. Angulate. This is kind of an advanced version of the falling leaf drill so you can lead up to this drill by doing highly dynamic versions of the falling leaf. Experiment what happens when you shuffle the feet in different directions during a high force hockey stop.
One last thing. Super-stivot is used to decrease the speed. You need to decrease the speed when you cannot carve a turn at a certain speed. The new skis can handle higher speeds due to the longer radius so there is less need of super-stivot with the new skis. This is a bit oversimplified since you also have to take line into account but it is important to keep in mind that at a certain speed the tightest turn is made when the centripetal "G-force" is the largest, and this is likely when you are carving, not stivoting.
I like the car/bike racing analogy. Brake before you turn.
I don't see any double direction change! He goes into a controlled drift and comes out , where is this 2nd direction change? And did you patent Super-Stivot. I don't even like the term stivot. Where is the ST derived from? It is called redirection.
And at WC GS speed in a race course, it is a very high level skill that is very difficult to execute, let me take that back, in any race course at any speed, it is a difficult move.
I have practiced this incessantly freeskiing and can vary the degree of drift from where it is almost imperceptible, to a big drift. Letting your tips drift past the fall line and back again is a tough task.
Keep in mind it is an offensive move done at the top of the turn when the skier is light as opposed to scrubbing speed/changing line at the bottom of the turn where it is a defensive move when the skier is heavy.
And I would disagree , getting out of it is easier than getting into it! Getting out merely takes rolling your skis back into the hill, a common skill that any good skier has. Starting your skis drifting sideways at speed, in other words, a controlled horizontal sideslip is another matter.
We have a couple of steep pitches at Crystal Mt. and when the snow is hard it is extremely difficult to carve the top of the turn. It is also useful anywhere you need speed control. For example a very long consistent pitch. Warm Springs at Sun Valley, or Beverly Hills on he Summit lift at Mt. Bachelor come to mind. Both these slopes go on for a very,very long distance at a deceivingly moderate pitch. But they will eat you up if you let them.
warm springs run—
Edited by Atomicman - 10/9/13 at 11:37am
it's practically perfect
On No, 1 slope, it's the snow, not the sun.
by Greg Moore
A skier would probably search in vain for a ski run more conducive to doing fast, carved turns than Warm Springs run on Bald Mountain. For 3,000 vertical feet and two and a half miles, there's almost nothing in the way. There are few trail intersections, no blind spots and, most of the time, not many skiers. If you love to go fast, this is the place.
Sun Valley skiers clearly love this slope—it was voted the No. 1 ski slope in this year's Best of the Valley survey.
"I've skied all over this planet, and the pitch for the length is just second to none," said Hailey resident Dan Kurdy, an ardent Master's ski racer who's been skiing Baldy since he was 5. "If you were to design a ski run any way you wanted, you could not design a better run."
According to "Sun Valley, An Extraordinary History" by Wendolyn Spence Holland, the Warm Springs run was cut in 1939. Dick Durrance, the top American racer of the period, helped design the original run and supervised its cutting. The run initially ran along the top of the ridge on the north side of the mountain, then dropped down a face still called Steilhang. A bus trip was required to get back to the lift at the base of River Run.
Though it tends to attract the fastest skiers on the mountain, Warm Springs has a split personality. Lower Warm Springs is a slow-skiing area. Its broad width and moderate pitch give intermediate skiers all the room they need to think about what they're doing and to execute their turns without fear of picking up too much speed. But even top-notch skiers take advantage of those traits.
Nancy Auseklis, an active local Master's ski racer and former U.S. Ski Team member, says there's no better place to practice her turns than Lower Warm Springs.
"It's big and wide-open and it's not too steep and it's not too flat," she said.
Plus, she notes, it's easy to make laps using the Greyhawk lift; even during crowded times, there's rarely much of a wait there.
Warm Springs tends to attract those who value snow quality more than they do a chance to ski in the sun. Its northern exposure means it usually has the best groomed skiing on Baldy.
"The grooming is immaculate 90 percent of the time," Kurdy said.
A long run with just the right pitch and immaculate grooming—why ski anywhere else? Some skiers rarely do.