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Salomon Crossmax boot problems

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
Hi I am from England and have just purchased new boots (as above) from a reputable boot fitter but believe they are a bit beyond me at this moment in time. They were sold to me on the basis that I was wishing to progress and could flex lesser boots quite easily (in the shop!). On the slopes seems a different matter though.

I only hope I can grow into them. After two hours skiing I am experiencing cramps that start under the ball of the foot under the big toe and then spread across the width of the ball towards the little toe and down the outside edge of the foot. (Hope you can follow). I had custom footbeds fitted and the boots feel snug and a reasonable fit that is until I put the skis on.

Loosening buckles did help slightly but I am still worried about the pain. My last boots were generally too big and gave similar areas of pain but more severe.

I ski in Italy in 3 weeks fo 6 days and then Tahoe in April for our honeymoon.

qu 1. Any tips on the cramps? I have slight numbness too - could it be that I need to bed the boot in?

qu 2. The flex is stiff on this boot (flex index 110). In the instructions it mentions removing the allen studs near the canting adjusters in order to reduce the index. Does anyone know what flex index this reduces the flex to??

(I have heard of injection moulded liners, as well as being pricey this boot is transparent, so hopefully there are alternative cures)

Thanks in advance
post #2 of 9
Taking the bolts out of the back will get your flex into the 100 or maybe 95 range according to Salomon.

First thoughts on your foot problems are the custom footbeds are not doing the job they are meant to. Did the guy who made them move your ankle into neutral when making the bed or just mold you the way you normally stand?

Other possibilities are; the liner needs to be stretched to give more room.
the shell needs punching
also might help to take the removeable spoiler out of the back and allow to stand up taller. If you are being pushed forward by the boot it can put undue strain on the forefoot and likewise if you have poor ankle flexion (dorsi).

Take the footbeds out and stand on them. If your foot hangs off the sides significantly and yet they fit the liner snuggly then the beds were cut to fit the liner. What should have been done is the liner be stretched to fit the footbed which in turn is made to fit you foot.
post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thanks L7.

I was in a relaxed ski position, if this is neutral. I've been sat in the boots for the past hour now and I feel slight nipping pain at the heel area. I'm not sure how much of this is newness. Also on the balls of the feet I feel slight discomfort/throbbing (dificult to explain)like I have been running around with course socks on. Again I'm not sure if some of this is due to sitting around without muscles helping the circulation.

I'll try the spoiler thing - would this contribute towards poor circulation?

I remember the fitter having some trouble getting a footbed wide enough to fit my foot - I'll check for excessive overhang and report back but dont think it's too bad. I went to snow and rock at Sheffied on recomendation which is a 2 and 1/2 hour drive. I wasn't too impressed with my local store unfortunately.



Ps funily enough as I type the same sensation is occurring down the outsides of my feet where the cramps were - very strange as they do not feel overly tight, it just sort of creeps up on you. How do you work out which part is causing the circulation nip point? Could they need attention in all the areas I have mentioned? I realise this is not easy over the net!

Thanks again
post #4 of 9
Sorry I forgot about this thread. If you pronate a lot and the bed was done 'in a relaxed ski position' then I doubt it offers enough support. If he had trouble finding a wide enough footbed then I'm guessing your foot is pretty darn wide. Check the fit on the bed as I mentioned and see if you overhang like I said. Also take the liner out and put the footbed in the bottom of the boot. Then put your foot in and check how much room you have behind your heel when your toes are lightly touching the front. Then move the foot towards the back about where it would sit with the liner in and move the forefoot side to side. Try to judge how much room you have to the sides of the forefoot.

If you have a large calf taking the spoiler out of the back can help but other problems may be more relevant.

[ February 07, 2004, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: L7 ]
post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 

my foot overhangs slightly off the footbed, the edge is almost inline with the centre of my little toe.(so 5mm ish)

I have not tried the shell check with the footbed but will do so. I am making a trip back to the shop on Tuesday (day off work) where I hope to sort things out and try out the boots on an artificial slope to make sure. I paid enough for them so I must get sorted so any preparation I can get is appreciated to make the most out of the trip.

I know this shell does both the 28 and 28.5 liner - do you think the 28.5 may help?

Also I have heard of fitters being able to soften boot flex. With my boots it is possible via the removal of bolts. What else is done in order to achieve this? and is it permanant? (I hope mine are ok with the new flex of 100)

Thanks again
post #6 of 9
That's quite a bit of overhang and that alone could cause problems. That portion of your foot hanging off of the ridge could cause cramping on it's own. The bigger problem is the bed was probably cut to fit the liner so the liner is also too narrow for your foot. The liner can be stretched (cut lengthwise from below after peeling back the rubber sole and stretched to open the cut and rubber glued back.) The shell may also need to be punched and possibly you would need the foot bed redone. If the footbed is not offering enough support you may still get cramping especially if the outside of the foot is hanging off of a ridge.
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 
The latest following my trip back to the boot shop..
Following discussion and varios checks it was decided that the XWave 9 may be a better boot for my needs. The flex of the 9 seemed more progressive even though the 10 had been derated

The shop exchanged and refunded the diference. The new boot is 28.5 a half size bigger too. This is a slightly wider fit. As for the footbeds the fitter didn't think my slight overhang was a problem as it wasn't a load bearing area.

We discussed the fact that I thought I had a slight heel lift on my right foot when flexing my knees (this is the foot that suffers the most with cramps). He fitted heel lifts under my footbed and explained that he thought that I may be stressing a ligament/tendon(? that runs along the base of the foot). On my left foot this created a bit of a pressure point around the heel - he explained trhat this should bed in.

There was no other noticable added comfort in shop. I then travelled to a snow dome and skied for 2 hours and things were alot better although I did still have mild (almost acceptable)cramps whilst skiing. After I took my right boot off the outside fleshy bit (the bit that always cramps from the base of the little toe to the heel) was particularly painful and it took several minutes of massage before it subsided. Is the a case of bedding in? If so why worse on one foot?

Can this be cured or is it just my feet? Will it get better as my feet get used to the punishment. What else do I try?
A higher wedge on the right heel? (I'm not sure I need one on the left)

I need to let the fitter know how I get on with and without heel lifts.

Any thoughts on the above??

post #8 of 9
I have had similar fit problems all my life. Luckily for you the Salomon boots are your best choice for a wide forefoot.
1.) Did they heat up the liners to custom mold them to your foot?

2.) It sounds like you need a little more width in the boot.
The last thing boot fitters want to do is heat up the shell and punch out more width. It sounds like you've tried all the "easy" fixes. I've learned over 30 years of skiing, teaching and patrolling, what I need to get a boot to fit and found it's quite simple; a custom footbed and a shell blowout on the outside, widest part of the foot. To me I think you need a little more width in the shell.
post #9 of 9
Last years clear red and this years clear model Crossmax 10s are both rated at 100.

Did your boots say 110 on them?

Anyway good luck with the 9s.

I love my Salomon boots.
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