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post #121 of 147

It is not clear if MarkG ever made it back to France. 

11th and 12th place do not have their videos posted.

That might make 13th place person a winner of a lifetime EpicPass.

Let's see official results and I can not wait to hear/see/read details. Winning cell phone provider ?

Vail will do right, this is a fun event and a success by any means and it seems that most of contestants had enormous amount of fun. 

Well thought marketing campaign, Thumbs Up for MTN marketing department.

post #122 of 147
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It looks like Mark Greenstein went back at it and got his qualifying resorts. 

post #123 of 147
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I got an interesting email from one of the Racers who said that this may be turning into a PR nightmare for Vail because is having to sort out all the technicalities on all who completed all 26 resorts. 

 

So far they've dinged 8 on technicalities. 

This could get really interesting before its sorted out. 

 

From PR dream to PR nightmare. 

post #124 of 147
So, will they actually award the prizes or end up dinging/disqualifying everyone? Time will tell.
post #125 of 147
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I can't believe that they wouldn't award the 10 pass'.....

 

I'm betting they didm' expect this kind of participation and certainly didn't expect the late openings of so many of the resorts in question. 

post #126 of 147
You are likely correct and I hope they do award all 10 as they should.
post #127 of 147
They should just bite the bullet and give out at least a year's pass to everyone that finished.
post #128 of 147
10 extra randomly drawn life passes, year pass for all ( I think they already decided to do that) and turn this potential PR disaster to their advantage. It is small price to pay to avoid looking at "United broke my guitar" type of situation. I hope Vail would man up and make most of the people that completed the task happy. Great campaign and great potential for promotion, but also great potential for disaster. Time for Vail to up their PR game.
post #129 of 147
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They should just bite the bullet and give out at least a year's pass to everyone that finished.

They have already said they will give an Epic Pass for next year to anyone who finishes this year (not just on last Friday).

 

I wondered why a week after the "Race" ended the results still said Unofficial. They went to Official today.

 

I see some of the previous top 10 are no longer there and Cory and Brittany Heintz (previously 11 and 12) and Greg Hydle (with the fun videos) made it into the top 10.

 

https://epicrace.epicpass.com/leaderboard

post #130 of 147
So they gave out 122 single season passes and ten lifetime passes? Good job.
post #131 of 147
Hydle and Rhinehart made it, bad for Cooley, she is a champ as well.
Check out Hydle blog.
Waiting for more from Vail, I can see great ski docudrama in the making !
One of the more unique, innovative and fun marketing campaigns from the ski company in recent years. Hopefully Vail would bring this to satisfactory conclusion for most of participants involved.
Special cheer for "our" guy MG, he is also deserving of some type of recognition from Vail, personalities like him could always be good to have around to promote Vail's commitment to fun loving consumer. His last video post from the basement in "somewhere" America with Marseilles playing in the background is funny.
post #132 of 147

Tseeb and I figured out in October it would come down to a bunch of people waiting for Brides-Les-Bains to open, then who knows what would be needed to win?  We thought there would be more than 10 people there given how easy it was to figure this out, but I would not have guessed 129.

 

This seems not a great way to design a contest.  There should have been some skill involved in designing an itinerary.  Starting the race January 1 maybe.  Or if you want it to be the early season surely Warth-Schrocken was more legitimate to count separately than Brides-Les-Bains.  With the last  couple of resorts opening Dec. 14, now there's more challenge involved in tight schedule planning.  My GF Liz also commented that delayed openings should be part of the game.  You need to ride a lift and make some turns on snow to get credit for a resort.  If you guess wrong about what resort is going to open when, maybe that becomes a factor separating earlier from later finishers.  Surely better than 129 people showing up at the same place and deciding the contest on cell phone upload speed.  That made the other 25 resorts sort of irrelevant in our opinion.

post #133 of 147
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Tseeb and I figured out in October it would come down to a bunch of people waiting for Brides-Les-Bains to open, then who knows what would be needed to win?  We thought there would be more than 10 people there given how easy it was to figure this out, but I would not have guessed 129.

 

This seems not a great way to design a contest.  There should have been some skill involved in designing an itinerary.  Starting the race January 1 maybe.  Or if you want it to be the early season surely Warth-Schrocken was more legitimate to count separately than Brides-Les-Bains.  With the last  couple of resorts opening Dec. 14, now there's more challenge involved in tight schedule planning.  My GF Liz also commented that delayed openings should be part of the game.  You need to ride a lift and make some turns on snow to get credit for a resort.  If you guess wrong about what resort is going to open when, maybe that becomes a factor separating earlier from later finishers.  Surely better than 129 people showing up at the same place and deciding the contest on cell phone upload speed.  That made the other 25 resorts sort of irrelevant in our opinion.

As brutal as that sounds, I think you're right. 

 

Although it was kind of Vail to allow other activities for resorts that weren't open, such as ice skating at Northstar,.... this is an EpicRace for a Lifetime Epic Pass, the activities for each place should require use of their Epic Pass, which means riding a lift. 


Edited by Trekchick - 12/28/13 at 8:23am
post #134 of 147

Here's the blog post from Ashley Cooley (of team Hydle) recapping the last day. Literally sprinting around the town in ski gear before some token lift riding to the top:

http://www.hydle.com/blog/2013/12/mountain-26-brides-les-baines-les-tres-vallees-france-final-race-day/

 

Pretty nuts!

post #135 of 147

Sounds like not all competitors were overjoyed with VR's pulling rules out of their asses.

http://www.vaildaily.com/opinion/9458889-113/vail-race-epic-ski

post #136 of 147

The Vail representative said in another article that they only anticipated that 30 people would enter.

 

http://www.summitdaily.com/news/9544839-113/epic-race-resorts-pass

post #137 of 147

Hey-  Sorry for being so late.  Life has been a bit hectic. I saw a competitor who took a pic with his goggles on and reminded him that he needed to take them off or the picture wouldnt count.    EDIT  Oops this was in response to a very old question from earlier in the thread about the rules involving pictures taken with goggles on. 

 

I just posted a wrap-up blog post that covers a lot of the questions people had form the forums.   Check it out http://epicskiandride.com/the-epic-race-how-did-it-end/

post #138 of 147
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Sounds like not all competitors were overjoyed with VR's pulling rules out of their asses.

http://www.vaildaily.com/opinion/9458889-113/vail-race-epic-ski

I like this final statement in the post: 

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  I have been skiing Vail for 40 years, I have bought five Epic Passes every year since they were available. I will continue to do so. Vail is a great company with a reputation for excellence and “getting it right.” It blew this one though. When you have this many people, putting this much energy toward something that benefited Vail, it needed to do better than get it partly right.
post #139 of 147
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Hey-  Sorry for being so late.  Life has been a bit hectic. I saw a competitor who took a pic with his goggles on and reminded him that he needed to take them off or the picture wouldnt count.    EDIT  Oops this was in response to a very old question from earlier in the thread about the rules involving pictures taken with goggles on. 

 

I just posted a wrap-up blog post that covers a lot of the questions people had form the forums.   Check it out http://epicskiandride.com/the-epic-race-how-did-it-end/

Sean, your blog confirms a lot about the feelings of changing rules in the middle of the game. 

 

Nice recount of the event and your personal travels.  Thanks for sharing. 

post #140 of 147

Heard one of the competitors today talking about it.  He "finished" just about top 10 but then like many was DQ'd down to the bottom for not getting all the stickers in shot.  He sounded pretty pissed off at VR for the shambolic change of rules for the last day, inaccurate or incomplete last day emails and reckoned that all the competitors had been used as guinea pigs for a marketing department who hadn't really thought it through.  He said what camarderie there was was everyone was united against VR Marketing peeps.

post #141 of 147
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Heard one of the competitors today talking about it.  He "finished" just about top 10 but then like many was DQ'd down to the bottom for not getting all the stickers in shot.  He sounded pretty pissed off at VR for the shambolic change of rules for the last day, inaccurate or incomplete last day emails and reckoned that all the competitors had been used as guinea pigs for a marketing department who hadn't really thought it through.  He said what camarderie there was was everyone was united against VR Marketing peeps.

Well, if the "competitors" had "thought it through", they would have realized this BEFORE they enter the race. 

 

These are voluntary guinea pigs. Vail didn't force them into it. 

post #142 of 147
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Well, if the "competitors" had "thought it through", they would have realized this BEFORE they enter the race. 

 

These are voluntary guinea pigs. Vail didn't force them into it. 

 

Yeh - I could see it had the potential to be a shit show from relatively early on but then I have a more cynical Euro view on these things.

 

Before they entered the race the understanding was that Vail would post up the requirements for all resorts shortly after closing date for entries.  Vail then messed around the requirements (including waiving need to actually ski on the mountain for closed Cali resorts) and withheld requirements for Brides Les Bains until the last day making it more an issue of who had the best data connection for google searches and/or running shoes for running round a dry town.

 

As the guy said - if its a contest that has minimal cost of entry then "no harm no foul" if they are a bit disorganised about it.  When nearly 130 people have invested serious time, $ and effort in it, then it raises the stakes for the organisers to treat it as professionally as the competitors.

 

 

 

As I said somewhere way back this could have been a really cool thing if it hadn't amounted to chasing WROD openings around but been a draw from those who'd actually completed during the season - allowing competitors to get some joy from skiing places in decent conditions (assuming it ever actually snows in Tahoe this winter)

post #143 of 147
Maybe it would work better if the start dates were way later.
post #144 of 147
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Maybe it would work better if the start dates were way later.

Had that been the case, the actual skiing might have been better (in terms of more snow), but access to fast transportation options would have taken on more importance with competitors having less time to actually ski a resort before moving onto the next resort.

 

Unless the competition was done in a way that attracted fewer competitors, then it was destined to be a case where the majority did not get the ultimate prize.

post #145 of 147
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Had that been the case, the actual skiing might have been better (in terms of more snow), but access to fast transportation options would have taken on more importance with competitors having less time to actually ski a resort before moving onto the next resort.

 

Unless the competition was done in a way that attracted fewer competitors, then it was destined to be a case where the majority did not get the ultimate prize.

 

I think it's way more interesting to have a race where you win by making clever travel plans, vs. everyone having plenty of time to bunch up at the end waiting for the last resort to open on Dec 20th. You can still limit it to one resort per day to give people some time to actually ski a mountain, at least for a few hours. I mean, that's why they had to concoct the crazy scavenger hunt at the end. I'd be pretty upset if I dumped a bunch of money into doing this and it came down to a footrace and upload speed.

post #146 of 147

Something along the lines of N days at every resort, with carryover from prior seasons would've spread the field out a bit.  

 

Perhaps the award would need to be smaller for different tiers,

Like single-resort pass or a few vouchers/season after reaching 1 day at every resort,

Area-pass for 20days at every resort

lifetime unlimited for 100days at 100resort.

 

 

The contest would be more like 1 million United lifetime frequent flyer miles and more "epic".  

 

Although the concept of having to build "status" for skiing does take some of the fun out of it.

post #147 of 147
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I think it's way more interesting to have a race where you win by making clever travel plans, vs. everyone having plenty of time to bunch up at the end waiting for the last resort to open on Dec 20th. You can still limit it to one resort per day to give people some time to actually ski a mountain, at least for a few hours. I mean, that's why they had to concoct the crazy scavenger hunt at the end. I'd be pretty upset if I dumped a bunch of money into doing this and it came down to a footrace and upload speed.

 

They may not have known it was going to end up with a foot race; however, due to the requirements involving uploading videos, they knew from the onset that upload speed would be a factor. People that were not tech savvy need not apply.

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