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Trying to figure out my Alta quiver [moved to UT from Europe]

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

Hi all, 

 

I recently arrived to the US, and right now I'm living near Little Cottonwood Canyon. This year I got a season pass at Alta and since in Yurop (where I come from) I usually ski crappy snow/steep stuff, I am a little bit lost when deciding what to buy here in Far West. 

 

Usually in Europe I have a quiver of four (1 touring, 1 race carver, 87 mid-fat and fat one of about 105 mm underfoot)

 

I think that here I should buy something wider, but not powder specific, since being a weekend and school holiday warrior and clueless about Alta means that I'll ski crud mostly. Don't really know what should be my daily driver. 

 

Info:

 

- Late twenties

- 168 pounds

- Advanced skier. Used to be on the slopes about 60 days a year. I like skiing pretty much everything, groomers, pow when possible, chutes, steeps...

- I like skis without much tail rocker, with stiff tails. Don't really like soft, noodly skis. 

 

I like the a similar shape to Dynastar Cham 107, but perhaps I have to buy 1cm wider. Thinking about the following:

 

Praxis GPO, BD AMP and Atomic Automatic (I like the shape, but don't really dig the tail)

 

 

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

post #2 of 23

And Your Height is ....

post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sapelli View Post
 

Hi all, 

 

I recently arrived to the US, and right now I'm living near Little Cottonwood Canyon. This year I got a season pass at Alta and since in Yurop (where I come from) I usually ski crappy snow/steep stuff, I am a little bit lost when deciding what to buy here in Far West. 

 

Usually in Europe I have a quiver of four (1 touring, 1 race carver, 87 mid-fat and fat one of about 105 mm underfoot)

 

I think that here I should buy something wider, but not powder specific, since being a weekend and school holiday warrior and clueless about Alta means that I'll ski crud mostly. Don't really know what should be my daily driver. 

 

Info:

 

- Late twenties

- 168 pounds

- Advanced skier. Used to be on the slopes about 60 days a year. I like skiing pretty much everything, groomers, pow when possible, chutes, steeps...

- I like skis without much tail rocker, with stiff tails. Don't really like soft, noodly skis. 

 

I like the a similar shape to Dynastar Cham 107, but perhaps I have to buy 1cm wider. Thinking about the following:

 

Praxis GPO, BD AMP and Atomic Automatic (I like the shape, but don't really dig the tail)

 

 

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

Considering the description of what you're looking for and your weight, I'd say another ski to throw in the mix is the Nordica Vagabond.

http://epicski.onthesnow.com/products/2014-nordica-vagabond-ski

post #4 of 23

I would say demo, rent, beg borrow and buy used until you find what you like. and see what others are skiing.  you will definatly want a Rock ski for early season too.

 

have you been to Second Tracks?  it is a great second hand gear store in SLC.  I'm not affiliated, just a satisfied customer.

 

Also hope to see you at ALTA this year. we too have season passes.  Most of my gear is Vintage.  and if you see an old guy with a beard rockin' 200+ cm skis from the 60's 70's and 80's  stop me and say hi.

 

also, where in Europe are you from?

 

royal

post #5 of 23
Thread Starter 

Oops, I forgot about the height: 5' 11", or 180 cm. 

 

Thanks for telling me about Second Tracks. I'll drop by there! And for sure I'll say hi if I see you around :)

 

I come from northern Spain, near France. The Pyrenees mountains. 

post #6 of 23

cool, From your forum name I thought you might be Italian.  I lived in France and Italy for 3 years but only under stand a little Spanish unless you are Basque, then you will find a lot of Basque culture throughout the Western US

 

Royal

post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sapelli View Post
 

 

I like the a similar shape to Dynastar Cham 107, but perhaps I have to buy 1cm wider. Thinking about the following:

 

 

 

127mm would be kind of big for an everyday ski, even at Alta.  I think the  Cham107 or a Cochise would be a great choice.  The old XXL's are the most common patroller ski at the bird.

post #8 of 23

I'm the same size as the OP but have a couple decades on him.

 

I ski my RP112's most of the time when I ski Alta but I am usually chasing a storm when I go there.  You might not like the rockered tails but I gravitate to the tighter treed runs at Alta and these rock there.  I usually opt for more of a "charger" with a flat tail at the Bird but the 112's are fun there too.

 

A 105-115mm ski is perfect for Alta IMHO.  I have a friend who skis there on Automatics and loves them.

post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

Considering the description of what you're looking for and your weight, I'd say another ski to throw in the mix is the Nordica Vagabond.

http://epicski.onthesnow.com/products/2014-nordica-vagabond-ski

 

 

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Originally Posted by Sapelli View Post
 

Oops, I forgot about the height: 5' 11", or 180 cm. 

 

Thanks for telling me about Second Tracks. I'll drop by there! And for sure I'll say hi if I see you around :)

 

I come from northern Spain, near France. The Pyrenees mountains. 

 

The Nordica Vagabond is cambered under foot, with tip and tail rocker to slay the power but gets around nicely if you're not getting dumped on. 

 

I have the Wildfire in a 169 now.  I skied it in a 177 which was really long for me but nicer to ski in that length than I thought it would be.  I like the 169 a whole lot better for my size, but I'm not a big girl during ski season.  I won't tell you what size I am when I've been enjoying a "float down the river with a margarita" summer. 

 

Here is a video of Philpug talking about the Vagabond. 

post #10 of 23

 I would suggest checking out Deviation Skis -- they are made and sold by folks that spend a lot of time at Alta

post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the suggestions. I wouldn't go 127mm underfoot, that scares me. The 116 mm of the GPO is kind of my limit. 

 

I keep on researching :)

post #12 of 23

http://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/line-influence-115.aspx#image=57954/291381/line-skis-influence-115-skis-2013.jpg

 

The influence was $322 yesterday, maybe you still can have evo to get you that price... maybe not... good price for a great ski imho! All sizes available!

 

I second the recommendation from Shredhead on the Cochise, great ski!

 

did you bring any skis with you from europe? are you looking for a single daily driver?

post #13 of 23
Thread Starter 

I didn't bring anything from Europe but I was thinking about shipping to UT my 87mm Volkl Karmas from a few seasons ago. Good early season ski, or hardpack days. 

 

Not really looking for a daily driver, since I haven't skied there and I don't really know what would be good for the place :)

post #14 of 23

I forgot to mention out local online classifieds.  http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=13  scroll down to skiing downhill.  There are lots of good deals if you know what you are looking for. plus there are a lot of ski swaps coming up. search skiutah for dates and locations.

 

Royal

post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the responses. 

 

I think in the end I'll go for some 184 Dynastar Chams. 107 underfoot won't be bad :)

post #16 of 23
What yo own will work, if your mid-fats are not fat enough you may want to go big under foot with a big shovel, and full rocker. i love my Volkl fats, I ski in Oregon so the Katanas was the best pick for me, but you may want to go fatter. For some reason they ski on shorter skis in UT, I like them long, faster you now, but in the short bumps not as good.
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sapelli View Post
 

Thanks for the responses. 

 

I think in the end I'll go for some 184 Dynastar Chams. 107 underfoot won't be bad :)

 

The Cham 107 is a good ski (I happen to like the 107 High Mountain version quite a bit), but it is polarizing. There are a lot of people who just don't care for it. I would definitely demo that ski before you buy it. There are some other skis mentioned that are probably a lot more "safe" to buy without demoing. 

 

The 184 Cham 107 seems like a lot of ski for your weight at Alta. Yeah, it will be awesome when the rope drops at Devil's Castle... but it may be less ideal for the trees under Wildcat where the soft snow tends to hide in between dumps. 

post #18 of 23
You're planning to ski Alta over the course of an entire year so you'll find a wide variety of conditions. I have quite a few skis, but I think you might find my experiences useful as you make your decision on which skis to buy. I live nearby and generally ski at Alta at least two or three times a week. I prefer to ski off-piste. I try to spend as little time as possible on groomers and find I have the best time skiing the trees and the chutes and do like bumps. Over the course of a typical season, I ski my 88mm underfoot ski (Elan Apex) the most with my 98mm ski (Elan Spire) the next most. I ski my 110 (Elan 1010) or wider skis (Praxis Protest) much less often than my 88s or 98s because we often don't have days where I feel that a ski wider than 98mm is necessary or adds to my fun, and I do love my fatter skis. I also have a 75mm underfoot ski that sees the most use at the beginning of the season when the coverage off-piste just isn't very good.

If I was to buy only one ski as a daily driver at Alta that could handle the majority of the conditions we typically see and the places that I ski, I would look for a ski in the 85-100mm width with a nod to being able to carve over float. I emphasize carve over float since I think it is easier to have more fun taking a narrower and stiffer ski out on a powder day (also gives more face shots) than a wider and softer ski that really doesn't want to be set on edge at all off-piste and trying to have fun with it on a hardpack day. With all of that said, I would probably lean towards the upper end of the spectrum and look for a good 98 or 100mm ski.

There are lots of places in the area which offer significant discounts on last year's unused skis and you can often find some very good deals.
post #19 of 23
You could ski with what you have and go to a demo-day, where a local ski shop has a bunch of ski companies bring their skis up to the mountain and you get to try some for free. Every one likes a different ski, or brand, I like Volkls a lot and have a few pair, along with other brands, it is all about what feels good to you. IMHO.
My katanas will turn on a dime in powder, but on trail the 30M radius shows it's face, I can still make them turn fast but it is more work to do so.
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by tomfifield View Post

You could ski with what you have and go to a demo-day, where a local ski shop has a bunch of ski companies bring their skis up to the mountain and you get to try some for free. Every one likes a different ski, or brand, I like Volkls a lot and have a few pair, along with other brands, it is all about what feels good to you. IMHO.
My katanas will turn on a dime in powder, but on trail the 30M radius shows it's face, I can still make them turn fast but it is more work to do so.

 

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Originally Posted by Zman View Post

You're planning to ski Alta over the course of an entire year so you'll find a wide variety of conditions. I have quite a few skis, but I think you might find my experiences useful as you make your decision on which skis to buy. I live nearby and generally ski at Alta at least two or three times a week. I prefer to ski off-piste. I try to spend as little time as possible on groomers and find I have the best time skiing the trees and the chutes and do like bumps. Over the course of a typical season, I ski my 88mm underfoot ski (Elan Apex) the most with my 98mm ski (Elan Spire) the next most. I ski my 110 (Elan 1010) or wider skis (Praxis Protest) much less often than my 88s or 98s because we often don't have days where I feel that a ski wider than 98mm is necessary or adds to my fun, and I do love my fatter skis. I also have a 75mm underfoot ski that sees the most use at the beginning of the season when the coverage off-piste just isn't very good.

If I was to buy only one ski as a daily driver at Alta that could handle the majority of the conditions we typically see and the places that I ski, I would look for a ski in the 85-100mm width with a nod to being able to carve over float. I emphasize carve over float since I think it is easier to have more fun taking a narrower and stiffer ski out on a powder day (also gives more face shots) than a wider and softer ski that really doesn't want to be set on edge at all off-piste and trying to have fun with it on a hardpack day. With all of that said, I would probably lean towards the upper end of the spectrum and look for a good 98 or 100mm ski.

There are lots of places in the area which offer significant discounts on last year's unused skis and you can often find some very good deals.


I'll be at Alta/bird from Xmas to New years eve and the forecast calls for NO SNOW :( I have a Kendo that I will be bringing for sure (88wide)  But it's the 2nd ski I'm wondering about.  I have a Katana (111) Saouk (110) and a Kuro (132) to pick from.   Any suggestions? I will be 50/50 on/off piste

post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by c20500 View Post
 

 


I'll be at Alta/bird from Xmas to New years eve and the forecast calls for NO SNOW :( I have a Kendo that I will be bringing for sure (88wide)  But it's the 2nd ski I'm wondering about.  I have a Katana (111) Saouk (110) and a Kuro (132) to pick from.   Any suggestions? I will be 50/50 on/off piste


Seems to me like the Katana would be the best. There will be some good powder left over this week from the recent storms, and they will be opening terrain that has been closed.

I use a blizzard cochise as my everyday Alta ski.

post #22 of 23
^ seems like the katana is a better call
post #23 of 23
Thanks for the feedback..Wondering maybe I should just bring 1 ski.... the katana and leave the kendo home and demo rent if differmt conditions prevail?
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