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post #91 of 100
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

Shoulders don't level until you are past the inclination phase and are in the angulation phase.

 

Correct A'man.  if you look at the 4th pic of Bode you see that.  I think a lot of comments here are mistaking a point in time in the  transition phase for the angulation/drive phase.

 

LF, shoulders (near) level is just as critical, if not more so, for racers as well.  (I had the embarrassing situation of falling over on the flat early part of the GS at my home hill last year through leaning in too far trying to find a bit more speed!!! :mad  Doubly embarrassing as it was in view of the start and I dragged my ass through 2 gates, still on course, before I was able to pull myself back upright)  

post #92 of 100
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post
 

 

Correct A'man.  if you look at the 4th pic of Bode you see that.  I think a lot of comments here are mistaking a point in time in the  transition phase for the angulation/drive phase.

 

LF, shoulders (near) level is just as critical, if not more so, for racers as well.  (I had the embarrassing situation of falling over on the flat early part of the GS at my home hill last year through leaning in too far trying to find a bit more speed!!! :mad  Doubly embarrassing as it was in view of the start and I dragged my ass through 2 gates, still on course, before I was able to pull myself back upright)

 

Happens to the best! At least you were going for it, and you didn't hook a gate (SL) (even with nosepickers) get flipped up in the air about 5 feet do a 180 and get whiplashed as I landed on my ass like I did!:eek All in view of the start and finish!


Edited by Atomicman - 10/3/13 at 3:09pm
post #93 of 100

My 2 cents:

 

I have set up more  ski and race poles than I can count over the years to many top skiers and I have always followed the following formula without a problem. Almost every coach and tech I have met all agree.

 

I still use the 90 degree elbow bend as the benchmark but add 3" due to the fact that on your skis between ski thickness, plates, bindings, boot sole etc. you are always much taller than standing in your living room. Maybe with little kids I would go shorter.

 

I always believe that its better to err on the side of longer rather than shorter. In modern skiing where long radius turns are more popular (as in GS racing) the pole is rarely if ever actually planted, look at a modern GS race and other than pushing out of the start (where a longer pole is better) the poles are used for balance and sensory input, almost like antenna. Another reason why most GS racers today no longer even use bent GS poles as even time in a tuck is limited to maybe a few meters above the finish.

 

In SL the poles is more of a stabilizing device than a turn initiation signal. Unless you are using ridiculously long poles I have never seen anyone have an issue with so-called pole recovery. If you are skiing correctly and just articulating your wrist properly your good to go with a proper length pole. Poles that are too short force you out of position to reach a point either far down the hill laterally to your ski tips. I have seen far too many skiers "reaching" and extending when they should just be articulating.

 

Feedback I get from the top skiers and coaches are what I take as gospel.

 

FYI I am 5'6+" ish (sadly used too be 5'7") and use 120cm poles on my flat skis. If I still raced and was stacked I would up to 122-125cm.

post #94 of 100
Quote: Maybe I am not as dumb as I look! ITYS, :D    Thanks SRD,
Originally Posted by srd View Post
 

My 2 cents:

 

I have set up more  ski and race poles than I can count over the years to many top skiers and I have always followed the following formula without a problem. Almost every coach and tech I have met all agree.

 

I still use the 90 degree elbow bend as the benchmark but add 3" due to the fact that on your skis between ski thickness, plates, bindings, boot sole etc. you are always much taller than standing in your living room. Maybe with little kids I would go shorter.

 

I always believe that its better to err on the side of longer rather than shorter. In modern skiing where long radius turns are more popular (as in GS racing) the pole is rarely if ever actually planted, look at a modern GS race and other than pushing out of the start (where a longer pole is better) the poles are used for balance and sensory input, almost like antenna. Another reason why most GS racers today no longer even use bent GS poles as even time in a tuck is limited to maybe a few meters above the finish.

 

In SL the poles is more of a stabilizing device than a turn initiation signal. Unless you are using ridiculously long poles I have never seen anyone have an issue with so-called pole recovery. If you are skiing correctly and just articulating your wrist properly your good to go with a proper length pole. Poles that are too short force you out of position to reach a point either far down the hill laterally to your ski tips. I have seen far too many skiers "reaching" and extending when they should just be articulating.

 

Feedback I get from the top skiers and coaches are what I take as gospel.

 

FYI I am 5'6+" ish (sadly used too be 5'7") and use 120cm poles on my flat skis. If I still raced and was stacked I would up to 122-125cm.

post #95 of 100
I am 5'7 and used 120cm SL poles. Last year I got 125 DH poles ( i thought they were GS poles) and love that length. This year I got 125cm SG poles (i thouhght they were GS poles - getting closer i guess). I didn't get longer SL poles 'cause i:'m a cheap bastard, after getting 3 new skis and 2 new boots for experimenting...

Now you know my sizes and priorities... Cheers
post #96 of 100
Thread Starter 

A-Man,

 

I know I said I was going to compare a couple lengths at the Start, but I cut down my Scott GS poles to 49", used them and I really liked it.  I know what I like and everything felt right.  I had bought 48" Leki GS poles but my daughter snagged those for HS racing and she really likes those (is I think 3" shorter than me) so I'll never see those again and I'm not spending that much just to try them and find out I like 49" better.

 

For all other skiing I'll continue to use my 46" poles.

 

I do think so much of skiing is trial and error when it comes to fit and performance, whether it is boots, goggles, skis or even poles.  The problems is everything cost so much so "trying" things is difficult and when you change something, you might need to change something else or account for conditions.  Very difficult to get a apples to apples comparison.

 

Have fun and Happy New Year!

 

Ken

post #97 of 100

I'm 6' and using 135cm (about 53") poles for 32+ years.  Have tried shorter just don't do it for me.

 

I guess the difference is I pole tap/touch/drag for high speed turns, pole plant for steep and controlled turns and good push off at starts.

 

Short poles just don't drag well, put me too far forward or don't reach for steep plants and don't work well for a good push off for me anyway.

 

Go long baby, go long :D.

post #98 of 100
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Originally Posted by L&AirC View Post
 

A-Man,

 

I know I said I was going to compare a couple lengths at the Start, but I cut down my Scott GS poles to 49", used them and I really liked it.  I know what I like and everything felt right.  I had bought 48" Leki GS poles but my daughter snagged those for HS racing and she really likes those (is I think 3" shorter than me) so I'll never see those again and I'm not spending that much just to try them and find out I like 49" better.

 

For all other skiing I'll continue to use my 46" poles.

 

I do think so much of skiing is trial and error when it comes to fit and performance, whether it is boots, goggles, skis or even poles.  The problems is everything cost so much so "trying" things is difficult and when you change something, you might need to change something else or account for conditions.  Very difficult to get a apples to apples comparison.

 

Have fun and Happy New Year!

 

Ken

Thumbs Up:D

post #99 of 100

I'm 5'9"-5'10", and use 125cm poles for SL/GS and 135cm poles for DH/SG. Longer poles offer an advantage out of the start but aren't good for planting, while shorter poles are better for planting and not as good out of the start. I use the same pole for SL and GS (Leki Vision Venom), but if I didn't I'd probably use a 130cm pole.

post #100 of 100

That's an interesting 4 pages.

 

IMO the pole plant stops the short radius turn and signals unweighting [or taking pressure off the ski] and the pole touch starts the GS turn and signals the beginning of pressuring the ski.

 

 

Pole length? Get some cheap poles and experiment, start long and cut em down.

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