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footbed for tight fitting boots

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

So I got a new pair of boots from a really good bootfitter that are great but are definitely on the tight end, more than a "firm handshake" but bearable as long as I don't purposely take pressure away from the front. I may need to get some space grinded out in the toe area, but I'm gonna wait on the liners to pack out before I make any decisions like that. So 150$ orthotics aren't in the cards right now but if I were to get some superfeet greens would this make the toe-space "problem" (because I'm not sure if it really is yet) worse? If not, would going with a footbed for lower volume shoes be better? The instep seems to be fine and could definitely handle the vertical volume, I'm just afraid the heel cupping will drive my toes even further forward.

post #2 of 14

Nikoras,

 

In race fit boot we lower the heel cup rim so as not to push the foot forward but also the custom foot bed will shorten you feet somewhat, especially if you pronate( 85% of us pronate).  Custom footbeds can also be ground thinner under the toes to improve volume.  Green Superfeet have little arch support and will not shorten you feet, an arch cookie and varus wedge under the factory insole would work better, if they are the right size and placed correctly.

 

what size shell fit?

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

read about shell fit in the above article.

 

mike

post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 

Not sure in exact mm for shellfit, but the bootfitter had a maybe quarter inch (just eyeballing) dowel that fit snugly behind my heel when shell-fitting. We spent some time and all the 26's I tried were too big shell-fit, so I went with the loosest fitting 25.5. I really did seem to be pretty in-between in terms of sizing. I'm pretty sure I pronate, I'm rocking some sole response footbeds in my daily shoes and the arch support they provide have done me wonders.

post #4 of 14

What is your foot a AA width?  It shouldn't typically be necessary to have only 1/4" shell fit in order to have a solid boot fit.  Better keep your toenails short or you'll be collecting them from the front of your boots at the end of the day unless your fitter is damn good.

 

Lou

post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 

Bootfitter was awesome and I'm down some toenails from last season. This season's boots are tight but no where near the vices I was previously using. For width the bootfitter jokingly said I was a "D...husky" The boots I picked up are Tecnica Demon 110s. I may need to bring them back to make a little room but I'd like to let the liners pack out first.

post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 

UPDATE: Ordered some downunder footbeds as people have said that they're pretty low volume but still have great reviews. I'm a 25.5 mondo which translates to 7.5 US so I grabbed the size 8's under the assumption that I can trim them. I wear a loose fitting size 9 shoe for my daily work shoe so I assumed it was better to go up the half a size rather than down.

post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by Nikoras View Post
 

UPDATE: Ordered some downunder footbeds as people have said that they're pretty low volume but still have great reviews. "I'm a 25.5 mondo" which translates to 7.5 US so I grabbed the size 8's under the assumption that I can trim them. I wear a loose fitting size 9 shoe for my daily work shoe so I assumed it was better to go up the half a size rather than down.

Are you saying your feet measure 25.5 cm in length (high lighted words)?

 

If so, I doubt your 1/4 inch shell fit measurement.

 

No over the counter foot bed will have a lateral arch (pinky toe side) built into it.  This will not stabilize your feet very well---also pay attention to how the arch curve in the foot bed meets the bottom of your foot---they seldom have the correct amount of arch support.

 

The best advice we could give would be for you to seek out a competent boot fitter and get his input.

 

mike

post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 

Poor choice of words. My feet measured out 26.5 cm at the bootfitter with my left foot slightly larger than my right, my boots are 25.5. The bootfitter wanted to sell me custom orthotics which in his defense were a fair price, but I still can't justify spending 150$ on them right now. 

post #9 of 14

So, If you are willing to spend 35-$45.00 for over the counter foot beds, which are just a little better than the factory insole in your boots, the difference to get a good footbed is $110.00----the price of one days skiing at most of the major western resorts---could you give up one days skiing to get a better footbed?

 

mike

post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 

I live in the North East where I picked up a season pass for 350$. Assuming I ski a very conservative estimate of 20 days out of the year that's 17.50 $ a day. 150/17.5 = 8.5 days. The days when I'll be paying full price for lift tickets are when I'll be on trips with my friends which I wouldn't miss for the world. Of course this is a poor comparison and I'm sure I could do other comparing to make it seem like a good deal but the fact remains that 150$ is a lot for me with my current pay.

post #11 of 14

There is so much here that doesn't add up I don't know where to start.  You measure 26.5 and are in a 25 to feel snug with a "D" width foot?  And these boots aren't as tight as the previous ones.  Was your fitter just recently released from prison on abuse charges?

post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post
 

There is so much here that doesn't add up I don't know where to start.  You measure 26.5 and are in a 25 to feel snug with a "D" width foot?  And these boots aren't as tight as the previous ones.  Was your fitter just recently released from prison on abuse charges?

HAHAHA I don't know how to put it but...yeah that's pretty much what happened. The demon's width actually feels about right though, I've tried things with ~100 last width and it felt like I had a bit of space which feels like a little performance sacrifice. This guy would always come out with a pair of 26's then shell-fit, look displeased, and come back out with 25.5's. To be honest after ~6-8 hours of breaking them in so far they don't seem THAT bad although they certainly are snug. My right boot feels even "comfy" maybe. My previous boots didn't come from this guy, they came from an Action Sports that is now closed. RIP many toenails from those boots.


Edited by Nikoras - 10/10/13 at 5:27am
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 

Oh something interesting to note on the original topic of footbeds. The tecnica demon actual has a kind of faux footbed in there. It doesn't offer any support, and is flat as a board, but it's way more substantial in size than the thin sliver they normally give you. Meaning that over the counter footbeds won't take up that much more additional space (lucky me).

post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 

Update: Okay so maybe I just got really lucky, but after a bit of trimming and inserting my new footbeds my boots went from "I guess this is bearable" to, "These things could be an extension of my legs." Snug, perfectly cupping my arches, and 0 pain. The weird thing about these vs my daily footbeds is the top foam layer almost feels sticky with traction. My foot really isn't going anywhere with these. Totally fixed the excessive pressure on my big toe and metatarsal heads.

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