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post #1 of 21
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So should I think about a 165 cm off piste ski instead of a 170 cm ski? Love to rail groomers and drift in lite pow.

post #2 of 21
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So should I think about a 165 cm off piste ski instead of a 170 cm ski? Love to rail groomers and drift in lite pow.

 

sounds a little short for an off piste ski. (Besides, if you're like me you'll gain the weight back.)

post #3 of 21
Way too short. 175 to 180.. or even longer depending on the amount of rocker. My 115 pound 5'3" daughter is on 169's. (As am I, and they feel short for me, but I wanted something for tight trees and I don't ski as fast as she does.)
post #4 of 21

You should be fine in the mid 170s for an everyday ski. Any specific skis you are interested in?

post #5 of 21
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Have a 170 Blizz Magnum 74 that is great in soft stuff, but would like more edge hold when I break it out on harder stuff occasionally. Deciding between Magnum 8.0 ti  and Progressor 10+ for mixture of conditions. Fear the Mag 8.0 w/ early rise might be weak on the harder stuff.

 

Love my Blizz GForce for pure carving on hard stuff....

post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by Carving Lance View Post

Have a 170 Blizz Magnum 74 that is great in soft stuff, but would like more edge hold when I break it out on harder stuff occasionally. Deciding between Magnum 8.0 ti  and Progressor 10+ for mixture of conditions. Fear the Mag 8.0 w/ early rise might be weak on the harder stuff.

Love my Blizz GForce for pure carving on hard stuff....

You started the thread talking about off piste. I'm confused.
post #7 of 21
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74-80 underfoot is a 50/50 ski to me, and all I will use, no 85 and up. Weird, but just my thing. Getting greedy by wanting this type ski for broken/light pow and still carve. Realize that you all think of a 75-80 as carvers.........

 

Will the 8.0 Magnum ti be able to hook up on the harder snow as well as the 10+? Guess that's the Q.

post #8 of 21

I think it will be fine.  The question of hold on hardpack depends more on your getting some tuning gear to keep your ski edges sharp.  

 

What maybe the biggest difference between the skis and what you're really asking about is the turning radius, where the true carver ski will have a short turn radius making it really easy to make small turns, versus the fatter all-mountain ski have geometries more suited for medium turns and larger, and you will not be able to carve a small turn on them easily.

post #9 of 21
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So should I think about a 165 cm off piste ski instead of a 170 cm ski? Love to rail groomers and drift in lite pow.

 

Can't have this discussion without talking about individual ski design. You might ski a 170 Head Titan, or a 177 Soul Rider... or a 180 Soul 7....

post #10 of 21
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Have a 170 Blizz Magnum 74 that is great in soft stuff, but would like more edge hold when I break it out on harder stuff occasionally. Deciding between Magnum 8.0 ti  and Progressor 10+ for mixture of conditions. Fear the Mag 8.0 w/ early rise might be weak on the harder stuff.

 

Love my Blizz GForce for pure carving on hard stuff....

 

The P10+ will definitely work on the harder stuff, but not the best choice for softer conditions.  Sounds like you already have a carver.  In the Fischer lineup, I would consider the Motive 86.  I have the Motive 88 which was replaced by the 86.  Lots of grip on firm eastern hardpack, yet good in bumps and enough width for crud and powder for lighter skiers.

post #11 of 21
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Yes, the Head Titan and Rally, especially the Rally attributes sound like they are right on the $. The rev 85 was way too heavy, and big. I'll try to demo the 8.0 and the Rally at PCMR this Christmas.

post #12 of 21
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Yes, the Head Titan and Rally, especially the Rally attributes sound like they are right on the $. The rev 85 was way too heavy, and big. I'll try to demo the 8.0 and the Rally at PCMR this Christmas.

 

If the Rev 85 is too heavy for you (you're kidding, right? Did you ski the correct length?) , then both the Rally and Titan should be crossed off your list as they'll be no lighter.

post #13 of 21

Maybe the demo binding?

post #14 of 21

Could be. In either case, the weight isn't in the end of the ski. Seriously though, if the REV 85 is too heavy for a frontside ski, the only thing I can think of is... well, not much other than a trip to the gym. :)

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Originally Posted by Carving Lance View Post
 

So should I think about a 165 cm off piste ski instead of a 170 cm ski? Love to rail groomers and drift in lite pow.

 

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Originally Posted by Carving Lance View Post
 

Have a 170 Blizz Magnum 74 that is great in soft stuff, but would like more edge hold when I break it out on harder stuff occasionally. Deciding between Magnum 8.0 ti  and Progressor 10+ for mixture of conditions. Fear the Mag 8.0 w/ early rise might be weak on the harder stuff.

 

Love my Blizz GForce for pure carving on hard stuff....

 

 

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Originally Posted by Carving Lance View Post
 

74-80 underfoot is a 50/50 ski to me, and all I will use, no 85 and up. Weird, but just my thing. Getting greedy by wanting this type ski for broken/light pow and still carve. Realize that you all think of a 75-80 as carvers.........

 

Will the 8.0 Magnum ti be able to hook up on the harder snow as well as the 10+? Guess that's the Q.

 

<ToughLove>

 

You're kind of squirrely on this, Carving Lance - in this post and several others on the same general topic. You live out west. Where do you usually ski, specifically? On what runs, specifically? In what kinds of conditions, specifically? Do you really [want to] ski ungroomed terrain or not? Yes or no? If yes, stop talking about skinny carvers and how well they grip on hard snow. If no, then stop asking about off piste, pow, "soft stuff," etc. If you want a half-and-half ski for California, you already know what 98 out of 100 Bears are going to tell you, right? It's none of the skis you are talking about here. Meanwhile you spend lots of time talking about the kind of skis I like to use on a frigid Wednesday night on twice-re-frozen groomers here in New England - not what most knowledgeable skiers would find particularly suitable for mixed conditions in the Sierras. We have lots of experts here on those specific conditions. Why don't you ask them what they think?
 
Reading between the lines, I think you are deeply conflicted. You really love groomers and only groomers, and would be totally happy never venturing off the corduroy, but you feel guilty because you know you're "supposed" to treasure that glorious ungroomed stuff sitting all around you. So once in a while you dip your toe in those waters. It duly gets bitten, and you immediately go back into your safety zone. And so you think, "Well, maybe if I had a ski that was just a tiny bit more off-piste friendly, I wouldn't get bitten and I would 'get it'." I don't think that's the answer. Instead I think you need to move east, where you can literally go for years - or even a lifetime - without having any off-piste loveliness shoved in your face.
 
Assuming you don't follow your bliss and move out here, and assuming you don't get over your guilt about not taking advantage of all that great western snow - and you SHOULD feel guilty, btw - 
then my suggestion is to get some much fatter skis with some rocker and walk them over to the ski school desk and say, "My name is Carving Lance and I'm a groomaholic..."
 
:)
 

</ToughLove>

post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 

How about Motive 76? Is it as solid structurally as the 86?

post #17 of 21
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Love  Groomers w/ the Sonics in somewhat shorter turns, then when the 3-4" drop, the Magnums work well. Guess the nexus is that at Mammoth when wife and I are only ones on mtn midweek want to have a longer 172-175 ski to GS on the back of St Anton, AND want that ski to be easy as the 74 in fluff at MM or PCMR my favorite ski resort. Blizz Mag 8.0 CA? 

post #18 of 21
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How about Motive 76? Is it as solid structurally as the 86?

 

Both are rated by Fischer as suitable for level 6-9 skiers.  The 86 is less groomer oriented than the 76 due to its width.  Both are wood core with carbon (no metal).

post #19 of 21

Markojp's 180 Soul 7 sounds like a good recommendation. 

 

Given the flow of this thread, CL, it sounds like the Soul 7 will be enough on groomers for you. If other skis were too heavy on the frontside, then you don't need a heavy, stiff, GS carving feel. The Soul 7 will probably handle your what-I-assume-is-moderate+-groomer needs. But that shape/flex ski will pay dividends IF you are going to seriously pursue moderate and up amounts of powder and off-piste. For that though, do take qcanoe's advice: get theyself to an off-piste/powder lesson-ery. 

 

If all you want is a groomer ski, then go narrower and don't worry about off-piste. Everyone wants a ski that does it all perfectly-- but nobody has come close to finding that unicorn. 

post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks all! Great advice. Demo Time.

post #21 of 21
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Thanks all! Great advice. Demo Time.

If you're at Mammoth I'd check out the on-mountain demos (from Mammoth itself).  You can take a few runs, go back to one of the base lodges, swap the skis out and try another pair, etc.  I found they were pretty quick about it (though while it was on a weekend, it was March, so getting towards late season).   Though getting on multiple skis is easier when demoing frontside behavior (grab a pair from Canyon, take one or two runs off of Canyon Express, rinse and repeat) than off-piste (because of the added time needed get to soft snow -- thought I suppose you could rent from main lodge and do a run from the top of the gondola).  You won't find the boutique brands there, like Stockli and Kastle (for those you need to go to Footloose; additionally, Command Performance may rent Stockli), but last year they carried a pretty good selection from Atomic, Head, K2, Line, Rossi, Nordica and Volkl (and probably some others I'm forgetting).   This year's selection may be different.  Generally, the tunes felt good -- in some cases very good -- but I had one that was horrid, so if a ski feels terrible to you (won't hold any edge at all on hard but not icy snow, or squirrelly when running straight), you could ask them to swap it out for an identical pair.  

 

You could also look for an early-season manufacturer's consumer demo day at one of the resorts closer to LA, like Snow Summit/Big Bear.

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