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Elan Mantis 662

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Ski Make: Elan
Ski Model: Mantis 662
Ski Length: 176cm
Snow Conditions Used In: All except large bumps
Number of Days Used: 10
Your Ability: Expert - Level 3 Instructor / Examiner
How Many Years Have You Been Skiing: 25
Avg. Days per Year Skiing: 220
Other Skis You Like: Stockli
Your Height/Weight: 170cm/85kg
Comments:

Posted on another site but thought it might be useful here:

Well, its interesting. Different mountains definitely require different skis.

Last season at The Canyons I was incredibly content with my 157cm SL:11s, and 184cm 10.EXs. The groomers there are relatively flat, the trees steep & tight, and the snow deep. The SL's were perfect for the groomers & trees, and the 10.Exs awesome for the big dumps (Which albeit were few & far between last season)

Enter Deer Valley - Steep, fast groomers in abundance. High speeds mandatory, carving skills required. My 156cm Stockli SLs, as wonderful as they are, were not up to the high speeds mandated by this hill, but the 10.Exs were far too straight. In fact they are damn near unskiable on piste and impossible to teach on. I'm resigned to the fact that they are now a strictly day-off ski, where I know the only groomers I'll be skiing are to get from powder stash A to powder stash B.

So, basically I needed something longer & a shade straighter. Hadn't considered something wider until I cam across a little gem - the Elan Mantis 662.

176cm, 16m radius, 116-76-102. Full 90deg sidewalls, wood core / titanium sandwich construction. Incredible torsional stiffness, but slightly more relaxed longitudinal flex. Its carving skills belied its waist width - it's the first 'midfat' (god I hate that term) that i've even remotely liked, given the fact I'm the type of skier that likes to go fast & lay 'em over. In fact, they look like a wide race ski. Nice.

So, I'm a happy little camper. I have a ski that will do just about anything. Along with the Stockli Stormrider XL, the 662 is in a limited class of skis. Not many skis out there that will carve like a race ski, but are fun off-piste too. Had a good fang around yesterday skiing a variety of conditions, loved them in almost everything. They are a little wanting in deeeeeeep pow, but that's what my 10. EXs are for.
post #2 of 21
hmmm. i think I know which site Carveman.
post #3 of 21
CM & Dave,

Thank you for those reviews. I am just about sold. Now I have to sell my boss ( ) on it.
post #4 of 21
Ski Make: Elan
Ski Model: Mantis 662
Ski Length: 176cm
Snow Conditions Used In: Pacific Northwest new and slightly old snow
Number of Days Used: 5 (3 at Mt Hood Meadows & 2 at Crystal Mt)
Your Ability: PSIA level 7 (upper intermediate)
How Many Years Have You Been Skiing: about 12 or 13
Avg. Days per Year Skiing: 20 (average lessons per year: 2)
Other Skis You Like: (below)
Your Height/Weight: 5'10" (177cm) / 180# (about 82kg)
Age: 41
Comments:

For myself as an upper intermediate looking to improve off-piste, these are a very nice ski. In the 5 days I've already been on them, I can see myself improving, which is really exciting.

I couldn't be more pleased with my 662s.

What I like about the Mantis 662: they have a moderate flex and natural short radius that makes it easy for me to bend the ski and carve (not skid) short radius turns at medium to slow speeds. However, I can still do long radius turns on them, too, so I really enjoy the variety of turn sizes I can do with them.

The 662s are very stable when I want to "let them rip" on an occasional groomer. I can't tell if my speed on them is limited by my ability or the ski's stability, but I've gone awfully fast on them.

The first thing I noticed about the 662 when I skied them was how good the edge grip is. And this is what I was looking for in a ski: great edge hold and a moderate (not soft or stiff) flex with a naturally shorter turn radius.

I prefer skiing steep slopes (black diamonds & an occasional double black), and I would like to improve in powder and bumps. The 662s are giving me the confidence to do that. Previously I was on a K2 Mod-X (Axis-X) in a 188cm, which I enjoyed, but not like my 662s.

Before buying my 662s, I recently demoed the following skis: Volkl 724 Pro 170cm, Salomon Scream 8 175cm, Salomon Scream Hot 175cm, Salomon Scream Xtra Hot 175cm, K2 Axis XP 174cm, and Rossignol B2 176cm. Of these 6 skis that I demoed, I liked the Rossi B2s the best (demoed on soft snow only). The Mantis 662 skis more like the Rossi B2 than any other ski that I demoed - they're very similar skis.

(I also liked the Volkl 724s, but they were a little bit stiffer than what I wanted. Didn't like the K2 XP at all. The Salomons preferred longer radius turns than the B2 & 662.)

The local Elan Rep tells me that the 662 has better edge hold/grip than the Rossi B2, and while I didn't get to ski the B2 in harder/firmer snow, it wouldn't surprise me if that's the case.

I've been snooping this site regularly for years, and its nice to be able to make a contribution. Hopely this helps someone trying to decide what ski to demo.

Dave
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Took them really, really fast on a steep groomer today (Steep face of Big Stick at DV for those who know it) - the edge hold & carving due to the torsional stiffness was great, but felt that the (extremely) high speed was almost too much for the longitudinal stiffness. The tips were just ever so slighty starting to flap.

That said, I was completely spanking them and very rarely ski that fast.

Still a very happy camper.
post #6 of 21
Well I picked up mine today. I was torn between the 176 and the 168 but the shop was out of the 176 so I'm on the shorter one. Haven't tried them yet but it sounds like they will work in the Eastern woods of MRG and Jay. For ice days I'll still go with the SLXs. Will report once I have a few days on them.

Hoping for some more natural snow in the east.
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Skied some fairly large, nice bumps with them today - they were great.
post #8 of 21
Quote:
Originally posted by CM:
Ski Make: Elan
Ski Model: Mantis 662
Ski Length: 176cm
Snow Conditions Used In: All except large bumps
Number of Days Used: 10
Your Ability: Expert - Level 3 Instructor / Examiner
How Many Years Have You Been Skiing: 25
Avg. Days per Year Skiing: 220
Other Skis You Like: Stockli
Your Height/Weight: 170cm/85kg
Comments:

Posted on another site but thought it might be useful here:

Well, its interesting. Different mountains definitely require different skis.

Last season at The Canyons I was incredibly content with my 157cm SL:11s, and 184cm 10.EXs. The groomers there are relatively flat, the trees steep & tight, and the snow deep. The SL's were perfect for the groomers & trees, and the 10.Exs awesome for the big dumps (Which albeit were few & far between last season)

Enter Deer Valley - Steep, fast groomers in abundance. High speeds mandatory, carving skills required. My 156cm Stockli SLs, as wonderful as they are, were not up to the high speeds mandated by this hill, but the 10.Exs were far too straight. In fact they are damn near unskiable on piste and impossible to teach on. I'm resigned to the fact that they are now a strictly day-off ski, where I know the only groomers I'll be skiing are to get from powder stash A to powder stash B.

So, basically I needed something longer & a shade straighter. Hadn't considered something wider until I cam across a little gem - the Elan Mantis 662.

176cm, 16m radius, 116-76-102. Full 90deg sidewalls, wood core / titanium sandwich construction. Incredible torsional stiffness, but slightly more relaxed longitudinal flex. Its carving skills belied its waist width - it's the first 'midfat' (god I hate that term) that i've even remotely liked, given the fact I'm the type of skier that likes to go fast & lay 'em over. In fact, they look like a wide race ski. Nice.

So, I'm a happy little camper. I have a ski that will do just about anything. Along with the Stockli Stormrider XL, the 662 is in a limited class of skis. Not many skis out there that will carve like a race ski, but are fun off-piste too. Had a good fang around yesterday skiing a variety of conditions, loved them in almost everything. They are a little wanting in deeeeeeep pow, but that's what my 10. EXs are for.
I agree with you about the 662. I am a 52 y/o level 3 at mount hood meadows and there are no groomers here. a typical run here will take you through some powder, crust, crud, chunks, death-cookies and occasional spots of firm pack, when you can see. the 662 is the perfect ski for cascade conditions.
post #9 of 21
I'm sold, as are probably a lot of New England skiers who have read these posts. Where can we find demo rentals? I live northwest of Boston and ski throughout VT, NH, and ME. I have no idea how to find a pair to demo. Thanks.
post #10 of 21
While I did not demo. I believe the ski shop on the Sugarbush (south) access road (right side about a mile or so before Sugarbush south)has the 662. I know the Ski magazine demo shop on the road to Stowe (left side approaching the mountain) has them.

Had mine at Jay last Sunday and had great time. Skiied like a madman through the trees.
post #11 of 21
Demo these tomorrow [Saturday, Jan 24th] along with Five Star and Intuitiv 71. Stay tuned.
post #12 of 21
Oboe, I always look forward to your thoughtful insightful reviews. Even when I disagree with them I know that you have expressed an honest opinion and don't just mimic the lastest buzz on this ski or That ski.
post #13 of 21
I looked a couple of places in Jackson Hole to demo these skis but I could not find an Elan dealer there. Anyone know of a place in Killington that I can demo these Elan 662's?

Thanks for the reviews! I want to try them for sure!

Ty
post #14 of 21
Quote:
Originally posted by oboe:
Demo these tomorrow [Saturday, Jan 24th] along with Five Star and Intuitiv 71. Stay tuned.
I'm concerned that they don't have the Fusion binding system on them in the '03 model....could you ask an Elan dealer whether next year's model will carry the Fusion binding system

It might be worth waiting until next year to get the better binding system
post #15 of 21
The ones I skied did NOT have the Fusion binding system, so thanks for the heads up. Actually, I liked it the way it was.
post #16 of 21
Quote:
Originally posted by oboe:
The ones I skied did NOT have the Fusion binding system, so thanks for the heads up. Actually, I liked it the way it was.
Given the tremendous press re: Elan's new Fusion binding system (just introduced in 1/04), it seems like something worth waiting for in next year's model

here's some interesting commentary about it I found doing a search on the Web

http://www.mountainsurfshop.com/elanfusion.htm

I'm also interested in the 662, but am hoping that they use a Fusion system before making a commitment to it
post #17 of 21
Quote:
Originally posted by craigr:
I just checked out the Elan website. The M12 has smaller dimensions, narrower waist yet it has a a larger turning radius.
What the story, anybody?
I think the answer is that the M12 has a Titanium top sheet which makes it a much stiffer ski

if you actually email or talk to an Elan rep, please ask them about their plans to incorporate the Fusion binding system into all their models next year, particularly the 662

I heard that they were doing this, but didn't hear it directly from the company
post #18 of 21
Ty,
Try Northern. They're on the Killington Access Rd., pretty close to the top. Heading up, they're just past the Fire Station on the left. Can't say for sure if they have the 662 but that's where I got my S12s. They are great to work with.
SD

Quote:
Originally posted by Ty Webb:
I looked a couple of places in Jackson Hole to demo these skis but I could not find an Elan dealer there. Anyone know of a place in Killington that I can demo these Elan 662's?

Thanks for the reviews! I want to try them for sure!

Ty
post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by craigr:
CM, do you think the 662 would be a good choice for an Aus/Canada ski?
When I get to ski in Aus it is always in school holidays (generally June, sometimes in September, never in between unfortunately) After 6v weeks in Canada at Siver Star and Big White I have finally discovered the joys of Off piste skiing and that is my focus now. However, I still like to ride an edge on the groomers with the kids and the other half.
What do you reckon?
I am 6'3", 90kgs, advanced with an emphasis on good technique
I'm not bringing mine back to Australia for 2 reasons:

1) I'm sponsored by Stöckli in Australia & will be skiing on one of their skis.

2) I prefer short slaloms in Oz. The runs are shorter, speeds lower so I prefer a shorter ski with a greater sidecut. Also, with the boileplate that we tend so ski on often over there, I feel a race ski of some description is more appropriate.
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hasn't been icy here in UT all season so can't comment.

Actually won't be able to comment on the 662s much more at all as I bent them on the weekend

Took a huge digger when my outside ski pre-released while doing GS turns in bumps. Got up & found one ski looking a little out of shape.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
post #21 of 21
Ouch! Sorry to hear that you bent the 662. Actually, as long as you are not hurt, a ski can be replaced, I guess. Maybe you need more ski than the 662 could provide for you. Here is my review of the ski (already posted in the "B2 or 662" thread). Thanks to your review (and others) I went ahead and bought this ski and I really love it.

Ski Make: Elan
Ski Model: Mantis 662
Ski Length: 168cm
Snow Conditions Used In: see comments
Number of Days Used: 7
Your Ability: advanced
How Many Years Have You Been Skiing: 12 years
Avg. Days per Year Skiing: 30-35
Other Skis You Like: Elan HCX Hyper
Your Height/Weight: 5'6" (169cm) / 158lbs
Age: 41

Comments:

As some of you know, this year I bought the Elan HCX Hyper (154cm). I cannot tell you how much I love that ski and I did review it earlier this season. Since the construction of the Elan Mantis 662 is very similar (save for the dimensions), I wanted to get it as my mid-fat ski.

I skied the Elan Mantis 662 in Utah (thanks to Ric Reiter who was nice enough to get it for me from Colorado) on everything from groomed, to powder (light and heavy) to bumps to crud. It behaves very much like the Elan HCX. It has a relatively soft longitudinal flex (Elan refers to it as uniform flex, as opposed to the more aggressive "progressive flex" on their race skis), but the titanium construction provides a fairly strong trosional flex. Add the race sidewall construction and you have a fantastic "all mountain" ski. It does not hold an edge quite like the HCX, but it is very close.

The 662 is ideal for moderate powder, crud and Western groomed runs. I would recommend it for light skiers or "not so hot" skiers. I can see that a heavier skier, or a very aggressive skier would want a beefier ski. On groomed the 662 is as good as any mid-fat ski. It can carve RR tracks and will skid if required. Speed is not an issue for me. This ski can go much faster than my courage will allow.

The ski is also great in the bumps - maybe even better than the HCX, which tends to be a little hooky. The great flex and the nice sidecut (116-76-102) makes it easy to pump out short turns anywhere.

So what is the best feature of this ski? Just like the HCX, it is the rebound. If you like rebound and you like to play with your turns, this ski will not disappoint you. The 662 is not a damp ski (like the Rossi B2). I would suspect that on groomed conditions and crud the 662 would be better than the B2 - especially for aggressive carvers. However in powder, these skis must be very similar.
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