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post #1 of 12
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Hey guys I wanted to let everyone know I have built and designed some new skis - I would love your feedback - Just as an intro, I have been working on this for the last 2 years, and some of the modeling technology I applied was invented in the manufacturing of a medical device - I decided to use it in the design process of my skis. They are a bamboo / poplar / paulowina core and carbon fiber setup. We modeled the entire setup and tweaked the design and cores until we got our current prototypes. 


I have launched a Kickstarter campaign with tons of info on them  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/659993807/templar-skis 




I will try to answer any questions you guys may have I really want to be open about the whole project; so if you have any questions or comments they will be super welcomed, even the silly ones (I am a telemarker so I do get quite a few of those regardless). 


If you are wondering why you haven't seen me before on here it is because I just signed up - I am a bit shy when it comes to writing stuff online so I have been hiding as a guest all this time before :P

post #2 of 12
Are you doing international shipping?
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 

Absolutely! in some of the pledges you will see a small fee added on but on the early birds I cover it - all included. I really want as many people to ride them! the bonus to guys in the Sates is that with the exchange rate right now the  $500 CAD  pledge is really just $485 USD with shipping. Cheers!

post #4 of 12

Very cool and I'm very interested.  Can you comment on the stiffness on the skis?  I'm a bigger guy and looking for something that will be a bit stiffer (current dd is the Volkl Kendo).  Right now I'm thinking your Knight series might be what I'm looking for.

post #5 of 12
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They are definitely on the stiffer side of skis - So I have been warning beginners away and suggesting smaller skis if they are interested. Even our big powder ski is stiff ( for a powder ski - they are def not for guys that like noodles). The idea was to build something you could ski very aggressively. I'm at 230 lbs - and the model is based on a 190 lb rider for the Knight - (the 185).   hope this helps

post #6 of 12

Who is doing your manufacturing since you aren't doing it yourself......it matters.


Your 20 meter radius on the Petard belies the description. 20m isn't a big turn when it comes to a ski that size.


What thickness are you using when it comes to edges and bases?

post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

Hi Eric!


All super good questions and I can definitely answer all of them! We are having them made in China (I know... but before people jump to conclusions we fought many years to have our medical devices properly manufactured there and all the quality control is here so if we are not happy with a pair we will not send it out)  - I spent quite a bit of time making sure they would be up to par - The factory is also one that has quite a bit of experience building other skis ( DPS ). The good news is that we're able to tweak their manufacturing to build with our process and that is huge for us. With that said the cores, edges, bases and resin are all sourced from a different manufacturers. Cores are sourced not have "splices" we pay a little more but it makes them more predicable in our model. the core is also relatively dense in that the thickest slice is 10 mm and the thinnest 5 mm. with grain alignment being quite important.


The bases and edges are what you would consider standard. edges (http://www.metalldeutsch.com/) and bases are p-tex 2001 (so the 1.3mm) - we have also sourced 4001 but for the Kickstarter campaign we would not be able to get the graphics on the 4001 so it was a purely an aesthetic choice. and we have tested both - We will plan to have a 4001 edition but they will most likely not make the kickstarter run. 


Now in terms of  the Petard it is something that surprised me as well, when we look at model it came out that we would have more stability in that turn radius with that shape, also the rocker on those is quite flat so you may be prone to sink a bit more if you are a slower or heavier rider. 


I hope that clears things up!



post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 

50% funded! thanks guys! 


For anyone interested you can still snap up a pair ( hipping included) for $500 CAD that is that is $485 US, for a carbon ski .
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 

For those interested we just released a womens version of our skis, Let me know what you think!


We are almost at our goal and these skis could become a reality! you can get more info on the skis on the kickstarter page  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/659993807/templar-skis

post #10 of 12

Just got a pair of Templar's "Noble" skis (90mm underfoot - 175cm) last friday for testing, with a half-day of runs on them - Eastern boilerplate with 2 inches of granular sugar to push around. A full review will come later after a bunch of days in different snow conditions, but here's some quick observations:

1- Really nice fit-and-finish...pretty flawless, actually.
2- Stiff flex in forebody and midbody..softer tail
3 -Torsional rigidity is super-strong
4- Very responsive, very strong, superb edgegrip, tons of rebound power
5 - None of the old-style "Goode" carbon-ski feel tons of people really hated.
6 - A charging-type of ski that wants to be driven, not ridden.
7 - Quiet at high speeds...not "damp", but "quiet and controlled" - none of the classic carbon-ski "ping" feedback and hyperactivity. Similar to the control you get in the DPS Pure Carbon models, and the preference for a pilot who is paying attention at the helm. Not for lazy skiers.
8 - Impressive, powerful feel underfoot and along the length of the ski, but a very lightweight chassis....people accustomed to the heavy-damp skis might find the Templar lighter-feeling than they expect, and could need some adjustment time.
9 - Feels more "precise" than "bullish", but craves being pushed. The more you pressure it, the more power it stores up without giving-way.

Jan's design (according to his diagram on the website) seems to forego any traditional fiberglass/kevlar/basalt fabric layers in favor of the tri-species woodcore with carbon fiber layers above and below the core, with an unusual structural carbon "cap" on top...finished off with a wicked-vibrant color graphic topsheet.

I was immediately impressed with the behavior of the Templar (names aside), and we see a lot of poly-raz-ma-taz ski materials and designs come though here, so we are probably over skeptical by nature...but this is the real deal. The core and construction tech has produced a ski that got our attention. If anyone is near Calgary....see if you can get on a pair and let people know how they behave.

Full reviews coming later this season as we get time on this and other Templar models.

post #11 of 12

What strange to me Templar doesn't making skis themselves. Where's the challenge? Where the fun of doing it? To me what sets apart one ski maker to another is there manufacturing process not the graphics.
 How strange it might be sound it is not that difficult to design skis. About an hour took me last week to create design of next skis I'm making.
"Manufacturing partner"= can't make ski yourself. And maybe nothing wrong with that from business perspective  but imo from standpoint of ski maker it is wrong.

post #12 of 12

After some quick chats with Jan Kowalczewski (owner-designer), the process of creating the carbon fiber bracing cap and assembly processes are expensive for a startup, so outsourcing to a facility with the technology infrastructure to execute the design with the specified components and materials made sense to get the designs on-snow without investing in all the hardware and other capital expenses for a build-it-yourself operation.  Ultimately, I think nearly every ski designer tries to bring all the production in-house eventually once the ski designs are accepted by the consumers and the business model makes sense.  I look at DPS who found it useful to build their cutting-edge designs and materials overseas (same factory as Templar according to Jan) until they could build up a production facility in the USA, similar to RAMP and others bringing production back home.  I love the idea of a designer's skis to be made all "in-house", and many do, but sometimes it makes sense to pay someone else to build your designs if you don't have the cash to sink into a production facility right away...especially if you have some technology or processing steps that require some extra tech or knowhow. 


Jan is getting phase 1 underway....and brought his high-tech concept to life with minimal funding...let's see where he goes with it!

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