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Blizzard Bushwacker or Brahma

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hi All, looking for advice.  I'm 6'4" 220lbs and looking for a versatile east coast ski mostly for groomers, with occasional off piste endeavors.  I've researched both of these skis and just wondering if I should focus on the Brahmas based on my size or if the Bushwackers may be a viable option as well.  I'm not worried about being able to rip it, so no issue with something that's forgiving.

 

Thanks.

post #2 of 17

Between those two skis, at your size, the Brahmas will most likely be the better bet.  Mind you, if you're focusing on a ski "mostly for groomers" I'd opt for neither, and instead look for a ski that is focused mostly on groomers.  The list of all mountain skis that do east coast groomers better than Blizzi's flipcore series (even the narrower ones) is long and distinguished.

 

Best of luck.

post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

Should have mentioned, currently skiing Volkl Code PSI.

post #4 of 17
Brahma in 187. The Bushwacker might not be as strong as you might want.
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by sinbad7 View Post
 

Between those two skis, at your size, the Brahmas will most likely be the better bet.  Mind you, if you're focusing on a ski "mostly for groomers" I'd opt for neither, and instead look for a ski that is focused mostly on groomers.  The list of all mountain skis that do east coast groomers better than Blizzi's flipcore series (even the narrower ones) is long and distinguished.

 

Best of luck.

 

This.

post #6 of 17
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Brahma in 187. The Bushwacker might not be as strong as you might want.

 

Yep. This ^^^^.

post #7 of 17

unless its changed, by default you are going to need  a Brahma,(if you go this route) the Bushie tops out at 180, which with the rocker is going to be way too short for you given your weight and height.  

 

I think you might want to expand your search. There are a ton of ski's available in this category ranging from the low 80's to 98ish.  Maybe understanding a little more about where you ski, what you ski,level and how you ski would help.  

post #8 of 17
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unless its changed, by default you are going to need  a Brahma,(if you go this route) the Bushie tops out at 180, which with the rocker is going to be way too short for you given your weight and height.  

I think you might want to expand your search. There are a ton of ski's available in this category ranging from the low 80's to 98ish.  Maybe understanding a little more about where you ski, what you ski,level and how you ski would help.  
With bring out the Brahma in a 187, they now offer the Bushwacker in a 187.
post #9 of 17
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With bring out the Brahma in a 187, they now offer the Bushwacker in a 187

 

 

Thanks! I looked around and could find anyone selling any but I know you are right.  He's still too big for it! ;)

post #10 of 17
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Thanks! I looked around and could find anyone selling any but I know you are right.  He's still too big for it! ;)

 

i had to check from Blizzard that it was the case. 

post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 

I guess what I'm looking for is something a little wider than the Codes that is fairly laid back (not worried about super fast/hard charging).

 

I ski New England mostly and mainly on piste.

 

Based on what I have read about the Brahmas they sounded like a good all around ski that handles the groomed well. 

 

Have also been looking at the Magnums, but I'm open to any suggestions.

post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 

Just out of curiosity, why are the all mountain skis available in longer lengths than the carvers?

post #13 of 17
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I guess what I'm looking for is something a little wider than the Codes that is fairly laid back (not worried about super fast/hard charging).

 

I ski New England mostly and mainly on piste.

 

Based on what I have read about the Brahmas they sounded like a good all around ski that handles the groomed well. 

 

Have also been looking at the Magnums, but I'm open to any suggestions.

This new info changes things. If you ski mainly on groomers, and not super fast, not clear why you need or want a 88 mm wide ski. The strength of that range is its ability to transition into trees and soft snow, while still retaining the ability to handle hardpack, and at a variety of speeds. Eg, an all-around/all mountain. 

 

But you're not an all around skier, by your own statements, and a narrower carver, in the high 70's to low 80's, will be quicker edge to edge, more efficient at digging into hard snow, and easier in bumps. Your size doesn't dictate greater width, but greater stiffness. (Consider that the most stable skis out there for recreational skiing are GS and SG skis under 70 mm in width.) So something like the Head Titan, or the Blizzard 8.0, or a Volkl RTM 81 or 84 would really rock for you. 

 

Seriously, do you want an "all around" because you'll use it that way, or because it sounds like a reasonable idea?

post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks Beyond, makes sense.  I will venture into the trees and run into some powder here and there but groomers are the rule.  So next question is Magnum 8.0 or 8.5 and wondering how either differ from the Volkl Code PSIs I have. Thanks.

post #15 of 17

Well, OK, glad it makes sense, now I'll lob a return. You have a very nice 76 mm ski, with some rocker I recall. It's designed for frontside duties, primarily, although I've heard it's pretty good in trees that haven't seen snow in a while. In many ways, it's already doing what you say you want your new ski to do. And it's very close to what I was recommending for you as a frontside ski. 

 

So what's it lacking? What does it not give you that you want in a ski? The answer could be as simple as, "It's fine, I just want two skis." (I use that one a lot.) Or, "I want a soft snow ski." Or, "Tired of green and white, I want something in red."

 

Put another way, do you just want a wider PSI, in which case you're on the right track with the middle to high 80's Blizzards etc., or do you want something that's different, for different conditions? In which case you need to think about what those conditions are. My hunch is that the real issue here is bumps, which groomers get, as well as trees, and which can be tough with a stiffer zingy carver. In that case, maybe you should think about one of Phil's The Ski's. Or a Rossi E88. Either would allow you to expand into the woods more gracefully than the PSI, and not just replicate it, 10 mm added. 

 

Unless that's what you want. ;)

 

Oh, and the softer snow a ski is aimed at, the longer and less rigid it tends to be. That's because you usually bend a ski in soft snow to turn it. Not flex, no bend. The added length makes up somewhat for the loss of torsional stiffness. A powder ski that's as stiff as a slalom ski would be really unpleasant. Unless you just slide it from side to side, which many swear by. In which case, it can be pretty unyielding. Whatever moves our wheels...

 

 

 

 

post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks again, so am I likely to notice much if any difference if I was to go with the Magnum8.0/8.5? I've never skied anything that wide and just wondering if performance in crud/fresh snow would be much different.

post #17 of 17

The extra width (over a 76mm ski) won't make a huge difference to how they feel.  You're not moving to a 100mm mid-fat here.  The 8.5s will be fractionally slower edge to edge, but only marginally (you'll get used to it in five turns) and you probably won't notice at all with the 8.0s.  The big difference with the 8.0 or the 8.5 is they're both laid up with a small amount of early rise in both tip and tail.  That will give them a slightly different feel.  They'll initiate into a turn slightly faster, be easier to pivot and slip, ride bumps a little better, float in soft snow a little more, and they'll lose a little bit of rebound energy on hard snow.  It's only a mild amount of early rise, mind you, so any differences are at the margin.  With the early rise in tip/tail you gain some versatility, but you lose a bit of that hard snow pop that you might prefer.  It's a slight trade off that you're either happy to accept or not.  Those two skis are still very good on groomers, but they give you some versatility for your "occasional off piste endeavors".

 

The 8.0 comes in a couple of variants: the Magnum 8.0 Ca and the 8.0 Ti.  Read up on some reviews to see which you might prefer.  I believe the 8.5 only comes in the Ti version.

 

Great skis, and hard to go wrong either way.  I'm about the exact same size as you and I'd opt for the 8.5Ti in 181cm.  I spent a day on that exact ski in Whistler earlier this year, and couldn't really have asked for anything more.  It did everything very well, and the only thing I thought it lacked was a bit of the rebound energy I look for when loading a ski up on harder snow.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/116173/blizzard-magnum-8-5ti-long-term-review-video  

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/115081/blizzard-2013-lineup-reviews-overviews
 

Best of luck.


Edited by sinbad7 - 9/25/13 at 5:53am
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