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Vail Backcountry

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What are some BC trails in Vail that aren't deadly and don't have avalanche risk?

post #2 of 21
Do you mean inbounds ungroomed stuff or actual out of bounds around Vail?
post #3 of 21

Everything has an avalanche risk in the backcountry. Take an avy course.

post #4 of 21
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Everything has an avalanche risk in the backcountry. Take an avy course.

This. If it can be skied, it can slide.

post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 

Outbounds

post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 

Ok, thanks, so to clarify my general question what are some BC trails that have trees and a lot of powder at Vail

post #7 of 21

I don't know anything about Vail so couldn't help you if I wanted to, but I'm going to guess that most people who do know the area are going to be reluctant to point you anywhere because you appear to be ignorant when it comes to backcountry skiing and don't indicate that you plan to change that.

 

You start by asking for stuff with no avalanche risk, and when it's pointed out twice that such a thing doesn't exist, you basically ignore that and still ask to be pointed in the right direction anyway.

 

Do you have avy gear and have practiced using it? Do you have experience/knowledge/training regarding safe travel in the backcountry? Do you have a partner with gear and experience/knowledge/training?  If you can't answer yes to all 3 of these, stay inbounds and stay alive.

 

If I've misread the situation, I humbly take it back and apologize.

post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by BillyGoat007 View Post

Ok, thanks, so to clarify my general question what are some BC trails that have trees and a lot of powder at Vail

 



Being ignorant about back country aside, why would anyone want to provide you their powder stash when your first post is asking for it? Then your being incessantt when people point out flaws. This is like a bum walking up and asking for money, you didn't even do us the courtesy of pretending your car broke down...
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 

Ok, understood

post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by BillyGoat007 View Post
 

Ok, understood

 

I don't want to chase you away from the board but just look at how you phrased your question. Where is there powder. A much better way to ask would have been: I am interested in back country around Vail where are some good places to go that has a lot of trees? 

 

Also trees are no where near a guarantee that a slope is safe. It's true that trees do help anchor the snow pack but they are also the worst place to be should a slide happen. Most avi victims die from blunt force trauma not suffocation. Colorado has even had a couple fatal inbounds avalanches that happened in the trees   


Edited by lonewolf210 - 9/12/13 at 4:49pm
post #11 of 21

Vail - 4 letters for - I Ain't got enough money for a lift ticket AND parking at the same time.

post #12 of 21

At Vail most of the Back Bowls and Blue Sky Basin are ungroomed.

The Vail trail map lists most of the boundary of Blue Sky as "no access wildlife habitat".

If you haven't skied a lot of backcountry the Back Bowls and Blue Sky can be a great training ground on a powder day and just great skiing if it's not a powder day.

post #13 of 21

I am not familiar with the BC around Vail either, but to say that there is no avalanche free powder skiing in the BC is a misnomer.  It is generally accepted that if you stay on slopes that are under 25 degrees in pitch & aren't attached or in the path of other such slopes you are pretty safe from avalanches, even if forecasts for steeper slopes may be considerable. 

 

That doesn't mean that there aren't other dangers. 

 

Thanks,

JF

 

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by BillyGoat007 View Post
 

Ok, thanks, so to clarify my general question what are some BC trails that have trees and a lot of powder at Vail

 

I think it is less that people are unwilling to share their stashes and more that people are unwilling to take flippant actions on a messageboard that can end up giving you exactly enough information for you to kill yourself.

 

Or the hundreds of people that read the post and decide to treat it as gospel, and get themselves killed.

 

My belief, shared by many others, is that it is downright crazy to take a vacation somewhere and ski the backcountry, because:

 

1. You lack critical knowledge about local geography. You don't know landmarks. You don't know alternate routes.  You don't know what is above out of your view on your travel route. You don't know a plan B, or C, or D line, to take that will end up in the same place as the planned route. You don't know what cliffs out. You don't know where you will get funneled into high-risk slopes. You don't know enough to know you made the wrong turn and are ending up 20 miles from a plowed road.

 

2. Your mentality is now or never. You don't get to wait 2 weeks for conditions to get right- you either ski what you want to ski that day or never. A great way to prompt bad decisions.

 

I don't really have much of a problem pointing people towards powder stashes. Hell, the Wolf Creek guide I created gives explicit instructions to how to rape the snow on every inch of my mountain.  I have a real problem pointing people to their death.

 

If you really want to do so BC on a vacation, take some classes, and then take a guide.

post #15 of 21

Minturn Mile is relatively low risk and you end up at a kick ass bar.

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Minturn Mile is relatively low risk and you end up at a kick ass bar.


 



IS that the bar you can get to by snowmobile from shriner pass?
post #17 of 21

There's nothing lost if people respond with kindness to this OP.  He/she's new to Epicski.

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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

There's nothing lost if people respond with kindness to this OP.  He/she's new to Epicski.

 

 

I saw that, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I'm just trying to explain that there is a reason that backcountry routes are not generally discussed online.  Its less about publishing the best spots, and more about the major safety issue.

post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by Akira View Post
 

This. If it can be skied, it can slide.

 

I disagree.  If it's a slope of less than 25 degrees your biggest concern would be hitting a tree.

post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 

Ya i heard about Minturn Mile

post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 

 I see, thx

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