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post #31 of 51
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As noted earlier, owned the original MX98. I've skied the BMX108. Not very comparable. Different construction, different shape, different mission. Best comparison would be to the older Stockli Stormrider Pro or the earlier Dynastar Pro Riders, sans a touch of weight and more precision. I've been trying to think what early rise would do, but the amount Kastle tends to use prolly wouldn't make a dramatic difference. If it still has the tail and the sidecut, it's still a very wide all mountain carver meant to deliver us from evil in a 50 degree chute, or plunder small villages and crush their townsfolk.

But in that characteristically refined Kastle way. biggrin.gif  

The BMX108 is quite different from the original MX108 from 2010, no?
post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by Brian Lindahl View Post


The BMX108 is quite different from the original MX108 from 2010, no?


Only about 100%

post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
 

 

I think everyone with a hankering for the MX98 should try the FX104.


The FX 104 sounds a bit softer and more supple - maybe a better choice for shorter turns and rougher terrain.  The MX98, from the descriptions in this thread sound like a beefy GS ski for big turns and crud.  ??

post #34 of 51

I am going to try to get on a pair of the new FX104's. The new 94 is such a sweet ski, I have to imagine the 104 is just as good but better for deeper leftovers and crud. I want to ski it in some fresh and broken though. I need to see how the tail works in those conditions. I do like a little rocker for easier release.  The 94 tail is fine once you get used to it (I am used to skiing broken and tracked on a Unleashed hell or Head 105) and it is such a tool for that kind of snow.  I do not find it overly stiff

post #35 of 51
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
 

The MX98 in 178 would probably be a great choice!  Too bad  it doesn't exist. The 174cm will ski a little shorter than the old 174 (early rise tip now) and the 184 will be a touch shorter, but still a lot of ski.  If you are a strong skier, you can likely handle the 184 at your weight and size.  Guys like me are in between sizes: same story with the FX104.  I am not man enough for a double titanium, vertical sidewall ski that is more or less fully cambered in 184cm, outside of groomer days. That is a beast of a ski!  If I could only have one Kastle, in one size, it would either be the new MX98 in a 179, or the FX104 in a 179.  Damn, neither exists....the MX88 is as close as I can come. 

So the mx98  will come in 174,184? In that case, it is between the 184 mx98 and the fx94, also in 184...

 

I wonder if a fx94 with a plate like on my speed course ti would feel like? more of an  mx98 but with still very nice off-piste aptitude?

 

p.s. I already have the mx88 in 178 and would not be too hesitant to go to 184...

post #36 of 51
Mx98 in December? Isn't looking promising... Anybody got word on a release date?
post #37 of 51
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Originally Posted by Skeebum View Post

Mx98 in December? Isn't looking promising... Anybody got word on a release date?


I heard sometime early February is when they would show up in consumer hands.  Hopefully it is a more popular ski than the old MX98.  Back then, it was an incredible ski, but didn't sell well. 

post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
 


I heard sometime early February is when they would show up in consumer hands.  Hopefully it is a more popular ski than the old MX98.  Back then, it was an incredible ski, but didn't sell well. 

Well if they did the promotion the same way they're doing it right now... Not talking about it, starting to sell it in february after everyone have bought their skis...

post #39 of 51
Been a while since there has been any traffic on this ski too bad. Skied it for a couple of hours today and well its an incredible ski! Firm groomers , mixed chalky off piste level 8 skier, other skis are head SL, bmx108, MX 83. No ski this wide has right to carve like this... I was dropping my hip down almost as far as the RX sl's I demoed and 60kph feels like 30. So stable and smooth effortless really. Perfect daily driver for a big mountain for a solid skier.Nothing I have tried eats vertical like this ski. Wouldn't call it snappy on firm snow but with a little depths its very quick. More HP than my mx83 so I'm egar to try tighter terrain in them next weekend and will report. Guessing they will require good technique and fresh legs. Will report back but think this ski will make a lot of strong skiers very happy not just afew dozen.. They petitioned Kastle to bring them back had over 400 signatures and presold 250 units. Other skiers feedback at the demo was very enthusiastic as well.
post #40 of 51
Great ski, no doubt, but one that will have the majority of its buyers heading to the bar at about 2:00pm unless they've spent a lot of time in the gym. IMHO, there's a very limited market for this ski, and believe me, I like it a lot.
post #41 of 51
Interesting I see the Mantra as very silular in terms as what it demands of the skier and they sell tons. My 4-5 runs on the 98 were the most effortless of the day but In was on pretty good snow. I warmed up on a pair of SL's and the mx98 was a natural switch meaning ski em dont park and ride and rip it up! I'll broaden the spectrum next weekend and ski more trees and steeps and see if I get my butt kicked or not wink.gif
post #42 of 51

also tried the 98s. length 184, me 160lb 5,9. found them a very easy almost mellow. Did not take a much effort to get them down the bumps in

Whistler Bowl and they were floaty enough in the untracked in West Bowl but still by the end of the day I think you would notice the effort you put in. A tad more energy sucking than the fx94 for quick turn initiation so likely better for those who like speed cruising or prefer minimal turns in powder bowls. At my size and weight doubt the extra width would really make that big of a difference over the fx94 in powder performance but I did not have a chance other than the dust on crust or wind swept to really find out.    

post #43 of 51

...and there are a lot of Mantra fans out there that aren't being done any favors by 'skiing' them... more like 'skied by' them. 

post #44 of 51
Thread Starter 

This ski did make into a few hands this season but the formal addition to the line will be for the '15 season. Price point will be at the higher end of the market at $1349.00..a pair. I did ski these at Copper (in 184cm) and was reminded what a timeless design this construction is. 

post #45 of 51

Now that I have finally gotten to ski the FX104 I am dying for a direct comparison to the new MX98.  I don't know how they packed two sheets of metal, albeit .4, and a wood core into such a light package, but its incredible.  

 

Although some have said the FX104 is "a lot" of ski, I found it to be "less" ski than I expected - which has several upsides to it, but the downside of not being a "zero speed limit" ski.  I own the Mantra and Katana and the FX is more Mantra than Katana.  It is also "less" ski than either the Mantra or Katana.  I mainly attribute this to the light weight making for the ski not as glued to the snow at absolutely mach speed.  It's carving ability definitely does not suffer and the light weight has some big upsides, but it does make it less suited for hauling ass, particularly on super variable stuff.

 

In any event, the slightly stouter MX98 really sounds interesting to me.

post #46 of 51
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Originally Posted by noncrazycanuck View Post

also tried the 98s. length 184, me 160lb 5,9. found them a very easy almost mellow. Did not take a much effort to get them down the bumps in
Whistler Bowl and they were floaty enough in the untracked in West Bowl but still by the end of the day I think you would notice the effort you put in. A tad more energy sucking than the fx94 for quick turn initiation so likely better for those who like speed cruising or prefer minimal turns in powder bowls. At my size and weight doubt the extra width would really make that big of a difference over the fx94 in powder performance but I did not have a chance other than the dust on crust or wind swept to really find out.    
Love your username btw. I tried my Crazy Canuck impression on the MX98 down the saddle doing 2-3 tuck turns and hitting close to three digit speeds. I could see breaking my daily vertical bests on this ski easily. However you mention the FX94 in the same comments. The fx94 is THE ski I would be inclined to pick over the mx98 and I am still dreaming about my runs on it. Ski totally deserves the great reviews and its the year top selling Kastle. For me I'd likely pick it over the MX98 in part because I'm often stuck on a smaller mountain and in this width I'm looking for quickness and ease in skied out trees, bumps and mixed snow conditions. I think the MX98 clearly fits well within the design intent of the MX series ski. Its a 70-30 ski vs the FX which I see as a 50/50 ski. If I valued piste performance and energy over off piste I'd buy one in a heartbeat. I also have 30lbs on you so for me the MX98 is easier to make shorter turns on or ski at slower speeds. Can you tell I am struggling to choose between them...?
post #47 of 51
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Now that I have finally gotten to ski the FX104 I am dying for a direct comparison to the new MX98.  I don't know how they packed two sheets of metal, albeit .4, and a wood core into such a light package, but its incredible.  

Although some have said the FX104 is "a lot" of ski, I found it to be "less" ski than I expected - which has several upsides to it, but the downside of not being a "zero speed limit" ski.  I own the Mantra and Katana and the FX is more Mantra than Katana.  It is also "less" ski than either the Mantra or Katana.  I mainly attribute this to the light weight making for the ski not as glued to the snow at absolutely mach speed.  It's carving ability definitely does not suffer and the light weight has some big upsides, but it does make it less suited for hauling ass, particularly on super variable stuff.

In any event, the slightly stouter MX98 really sounds interesting to me.
If you have the means younshould demo the mx98 no question based on the skis you like and propensity for hauling butt. Definetly more planted than the fx104 or much of anything else that comes to mind. The fx04/94 are stable but have a very bright feel and don't feel as charger as the MX series stuff. That said after a few runs I found myself accustomed to them and flying in mixed snow. So part of the zero speed limit might be getting used to them and the unique feel.I did the same run on my own mx83 in 183 and speeds we about equal.
I'm lucky enough to try them again next weekend. Hope you get a chance since I think many Mantra/Volkl owners would appreciate your input
post #48 of 51
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If you have the means younshould demo the mx98 no question based on the skis you like and propensity for hauling butt. Definetly more planted than the fx104 or much of anything else that comes to mind. The fx04/94 are stable but have a very bright feel and don't feel as charger as the MX series stuff. That said after a few runs I found myself accustomed to them and flying in mixed snow. So part of the zero speed limit might be getting used to them and the unique feel.I did the same run on my own mx83 in 183 and speeds we about equal.
I'm lucky enough to try them again next weekend. Hope you get a chance since I think many Mantra/Volkl owners would appreciate your input

 

I'd love to offer my demo services for the greater good if anyone wants to send a pair of MX98s my way : )

 

I agree about the benefit of adjusting your style with the FX.  It is not quite as locked in as the Mantra, or I assume the MX98, but that's not to say it isn't super solid.  It just isn't a full on freight train when taking more of a straightline approach.  I have found thus far that if you keep the ski on edge it performs every bit as good as the heavier skis referenced above and, as you say, a small general shift in expectations and approach seems to help.  On a long term basis I will be interested to see if I prefer the versatility the FX104 offers with the slight loss of "chargability" or if my old standby Mantra wins out.

post #49 of 51
104 and the 94 are more well rounded than the mantra. IMHO of course.
post #50 of 51
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Originally Posted by smails View Post
 

 

I'd love to offer my demo services for the greater good if anyone wants to send a pair of MX98s my way : )

 

I agree about the benefit of adjusting your style with the FX.  It is not quite as locked in as the Mantra, or I assume the MX98, but that's not to say it isn't super solid.  It just isn't a full on freight train when taking more of a straightline approach.  I have found thus far that if you keep the ski on edge it performs every bit as good as the heavier skis referenced above and, as you say, a small general shift in expectations and approach seems to help.  On a long term basis I will be interested to see if I prefer the versatility the FX104 offers with the slight loss of "chargability" or if my old standby Mantra wins out.

 

 I agree: the Mantra always felt like it was skiing me, not vice versa.  I don't like super "locked in" skis: I like to flex but not be a noodle. 

 

Scott

post #51 of 51
Skied the MX98 in 184 again this weekend in some mixed new snow, crud, windblown. Man I love this ski. Like my MX83, its just so unflappable and has so much accessible, refined power considering what it is. Love the tip in softer snow and crud, ski just tracks even better than other MX skis there also floats pretty well. Really is quite nimble in any softer snow. At 190lbs and 6'1" the 184 seems very usable and I find myself leaning to it over the FX94 or 104 for how I ski.

Think Dawg as usual summed it up very well in another multi ski review so I took the liberty to post here to make it easier for folks to find:
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Kastle MX98 174cm

New ski for 2014. Very small early rise profile. 2 sheets of metal, comes in 174/184/194. Softer profile than the old MX98, but not by much. Very similar to the old ski, which ended production a few years back.

Quick review: The MX98 goes up against the FX104. One is more of a wide do-everything ski; the other is…a wide-do everything ski. Same lengths too. Hard to say what Kastle was thinking here: both skis are great, but there is a lot of overlap, considering that both skis are available in 174/184. Kastle could have done something different, maybe offered a 170/179/187 on this model to offer a ski as an option to those who can’t buy an FX104 due to falling in between lengths.

I skied this as the SIA demo, and also here locally on Monday. The demo was short: just a couple of groomers. First impression was this is simply a wide MX88. No real surprises. The tip tracks a touch better in junk snow, it is a wider ski, not quite as powerful edge to edge as the 88. All stuff you would expect. Also, the ski is ridiculous with regards to stability. Skiing a 174cm makes other 180’s feel like sub 170cm lengths. This thing has a ton of power.

When skiing it locally in heavy Cascade cement yesterday, the ski made for a good option over the MX88. It is still a strong ski, and in heavier, rougher snow, it tracks better at speed than the FX series, without a doubt. The MX has a stronger tail, stronger tip, stronger flex at speed. The FX is no slouch, but the MX is a segment leader here. Nothing can touch this ski in terms of GS turns in crud. Surprisingly for such a strong ski, the tip and tail is very easy to work in funky snow at tight spaces: it is not a burly ski by any means, especially when you consider the top end it has as well. It is so easy to release and move the feet on in that junky snow in the trees; easier than 85% of the stuff out there, and the tail has a bit more subtle release than the MX88. It is just tweaked a bit more toward off-piste use, while remaining the premier hard snow ski in this width. I would say the float and ease of use, while solid, are a little behind the FX104, as they should be, given the design differences, but the MX will come out on top for precision on firmer snow and groomers, as well as skiing fast in resort-type settings. It does have a ridiculous engine under the hood: don’t overestimate the length you need. I would say head height is a good baseline, maybe 3cm above, 6cm below is a good range. I wouldn’t go too long though, you just don’t need a ton of length on this ski is to get class-leading stability.

Who would choose this ski? Someone looking for a bit wider than average width power ski that can rip with the best on the groomers, yet remain extremely versatile all over the mountain. Also, with a big bank account: retail is $1390 flat.

- See more at: http://www.dawgcatching.com/blog/ski/2015-ski-reviews-wider-all-mountain-designs-kastle-mx98-fx94-fischer-ranger-blizzard-bonafide-and-others#sthash.AreeuR9j.dpuf
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