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post #121 of 149
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I would have to guess that has more to do with his status as a Korean War vet than just his being American. 


Are you implying that veterans don't ski?  This site is FULL of distinguished vets.

post #122 of 149
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Are you implying that veterans don't ski?  This site is FULL of distinguished vets.

 

Huh? 

post #123 of 149
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:nono:

 

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California man pulled off plane in North Korea, detained, son says

 

(CNN) -- An 85-year-old American man on an organized tour of North Korea was pulled off a plane in Pyongyang just minutes before it was to depart, the man's son told CNN on Wednesday.

The family has had no contact with Merrill Newman of Palo Alto, California, since he was detained on October 26, his son Jeff Newman said.

"This is a misunderstanding. My father is a (Korean War) veteran and wanted to see the country and culture he has been interested in for years," Jeff Newman said. "He arranged this with a travel agent that was recommended and said was approved by the North Korean government for travel of foreigners. He had all the proper visas."

The U.S. State Department is working to resolve the matter with North Korea's top ally, China.

Ambassador Glyn Davies, the U.S. special representative for North Korean policy, met with his Chinese counterpart in Beijing for several hours Thursday.

 

 

You've been warned...

 

 

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Originally Posted by tylrwnzl View Post
 

I would have to guess that has more to do with his status as a Korean War vet than just his being American. 

 

 

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Are you implying that veterans don't ski?  This site is FULL of distinguished vets.

post #124 of 149
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Originally Posted by tylrwnzl View Post
 

I would have to guess that has more to do with his status as a Korean War vet than just his being American. 


Are you implying that veterans don't ski?  This site is FULL of distinguished vets.

 

No I am saying that his arrest may have more to do with the body count of North Koreans he racked up than just his passport. Plenty of veterans ski, however very few of them fought in Korea. 

post #125 of 149
But how would they know he fought in Korea? Unless, of course, he was going on about it. Which would be so totally typical if it were my dad visiting anything in the Pacific.
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Perhaps, but he's not the only American to be invited to visit North Korea then detained indefinitely/not allowed to leave.

post #127 of 149
It's the age of the guy they grabbed which surprises me. It's like they want someone who will die in custody.
post #128 of 149
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But how would they know he fought in Korea? Unless, of course, he was going on about it. Which would be so totally typical if it were my dad visiting anything in the Pacific.

 

Mean like he how killed fiddy men wit his bare hands?

post #129 of 149

How well can Seal Team 6 ski?

post #130 of 149
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

Perhaps, but he's not the only American to be invited to visit North Korea then detained indefinitely/not allowed to leave.

 

To be fair the only American I was aware of recently was doing something that he knew was illegal, even if he believed the benefits outweighed the risk. 

post #131 of 149
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Auschwitz had a superior orchestra made up of some of the best professional players in Europe at the time.  Selling tickets to go see them seems similar to this offer.  I'm offended that Epic would even consider allowing this.

 

I am not happy to see this either, but censorship isn't a good thing.

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I don't think this is true at all. As I've said, if asked I would think about participating in humanitarian activities in N.Korea as there seems to be tremendous need. I was also a resident of the western coast of Japan and know that N. Korea abducted Japanese citizens that have caused great pain and suffering for their loved ones for decades. The government has also participated in acts of terrorism (destruction of Korean Airline flight 858), and systematically imprisons those who voice dissent. They are also holding a US citizen, who though perhaps misguided, poses no existential threat to the Kim regime. Do not misconstrue a site visit as 'positive'... it's simple curiousity, nothing more. And Mr. Kim's new lift-less ski area will most certainly not be the largest in the world unless they've annexed Nepal, India, or China.

 

The country threatened the USA.  Screw 'em.

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so the leader of the so called country had his Ex girlfriend exectued for pornographic acts.

 

honestly IMO epicski.com should do what the UN does and not allow any support to North Korea. Including not letting someone advertise a company that is letting the crazy koreans profit.

It seems she didn't do a good job or couldn't keep her mouth shut about it...but that is not what happened.  She was part of an orchestra, and was executed with a machine gun toting firing squad along with eleven other musicians from the orchestra and two other bands.  They fared better than a vice minister of the army who was partying during the official mourning of Kim Jong-Il (the father of the current leader).  That guy was to be obliterated...even his hair.  So they put the poor sonofabitch in the middle of a mortar range and fired away until nothing was left.  If you are a sadist--and this leader is--having family watch is an absolute "must" activity.

 

The UN supports terrorists and countries that deny basic human rights to citizens all the time, e.g., most countries in the Middle East.  The UN remains a joke.  As a peacekeeping force, it is pathetic.

 

The problem with traveling to N Korea is not getting there, but getting back home and getting a refund if what is promised isn't delivered.  I'll let Warren Miller Productions go there first, and then see if everyone comes back OK before even thinking of skiing there.  The fact that the country denies human rights puts them on my personal no-fly list.


Edited by quant2325 - 11/22/13 at 1:16pm
post #132 of 149
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To be fair the only American I was aware of recently was doing something that he knew was illegal, even if he believed the benefits outweighed the risk. 


Or maybe it is just groups of tourists that are in jeopardy?:rolleyes

 

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Kenneth Bae was sentenced in May to 15 years of hard labour after North Korea's Supreme Court convicted him of state subversion. The court said Bae, 45, had used his tourism business to form groups to overthrow the government.

 

 

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Travel Warning – Korea, Democratic People’s Republic of

Published by Sarah M Byrne November 17, 2011

United States Department of State
Bureau of Consular Affairs
Washington, DC 20520

November 03, 2011

Squaremouth recommends travel insurance for all your overseas trips.

The Department of State continues to warn U.S. citizens about travel to North Korea (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, or DPRK). The North Korean government will detain, prosecute, and sentence those who enter the DPRK without first having received explicit, official permission and an entry visa from its government. Travel by U.S. citizens to North Korea is not routine, and U.S. citizens crossing into North Korea, even accidently, have been subject to arrest and long-term detention. Since January 2009, four U.S. citizens have been arrested for entering North Korea illegally. In 2010, a fifth U.S. citizen, who had a valid DPRK visa in his U.S. passport, was arrested inside North Korea on unspecified charges.

 

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North Korea is now acknowledging it is still holding two Japanese, as well as an American of Korean origin. VOA Correspondent Steve Herman in Seoul reports the cases pose complications for their governments, which have no diplomatic relations with Pyongyang.

The charges

On the Wednesday evening North Korean newscast, an announcer read a communiqué about the detention, in the port city of Rason, of three Japanese nationals on charges of drug trafficking and counterfeiting.

The trio, the announcer says, admitted its crimes and the gravity of the offenses. One man, Masaki Furuya, has already been expelled from the country. The communiqué says, however, the two others, Hidehiko Abe and Takumi Hirooka, will face trial stemming from their arrests on March 14.

Japan’s foreign ministry has had sparse comment, merely saying it is investigating the case.

 

Does anybody really believe that people won't confess to anything at all while being held in a hostile manner out of reach of any diplomacy?  Confessing to BS charges is their only hope.

post #133 of 149
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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post
 

Auschwitz had a superior orchestra made up of some of the best professional players in Europe at the time.  Selling tickets to go see them seems similar to this offer.  I'm offended that Epic would even consider allowing this.

 

I am not happy to see this either, but censorship isn't a good thing.

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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

 

 

I don't think this is true at all. As I've said, if asked I would think about participating in humanitarian activities in N.Korea as there seems to be tremendous need. I was also a resident of the western coast of Japan and know that N. Korea abducted Japanese citizens that have caused great pain and suffering for their loved ones for decades. The government has also participated in acts of terrorism (destruction of Korean Airline flight 858), and systematically imprisons those who voice dissent. They are also holding a US citizen, who though perhaps misguided, poses no existential threat to the Kim regime. Do not misconstrue a site visit as 'positive'... it's simple curiousity, nothing more. And Mr. Kim's new lift-less ski area will most certainly not be the largest in the world unless they've annexed Nepal, India, or China.

 

The country threatened the USA.  Screw 'em.

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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

so the leader of the so called country had his Ex girlfriend exectued for pornographic acts.

 

honestly IMO epicski.com should do what the UN does and not allow any support to North Korea. Including not letting someone advertise a company that is letting the crazy koreans profit.

It seems she didn't do a good job or couldn't keep her mouth shut about it...but that is not what happened.  She was part of an orchestra, and was executed with a machine gun toting firing squad along with eleven other musicians from the orchestra and two other bands.  They fared better than a general who was partying during the official mourning of Kim Jong-Il's father.  That guy was to be obliterated...even his hair.  So they put the poor sonofabitch in the middle of a mortar range and fired away until nothing was left.  If you are a sadist--and this leader is--having family watch is an absolute "must" activity.

 

The UN supports terrorists and countries that deny basic human rights to citizens all the time, e.g., most countries in the Middle East.  The UN remains a joke.  As a peacekeeping force, it is pathetic.

 

The problem with traveling to N Korea is not getting there, but getting back home and getting a refund if what is promised isn't delivered.  I'll let Warren Miller Productions go there first, and then see if everyone comes back OK before even thinking of skiing there.  The fact that the country denies human rights puts them on my personal no-fly list.

 

You mean like the indefinite detention of prisoners without trial or evidence *cough* Gitmo *cough* or launching missiles that kill innocent civilians due to bad intelligence. 

post #134 of 149
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 launching missiles that kill innocent civilians due to bad intelligence. 

Now there's another good reason to stay out of North Korea. You might be killed by a US drone strike!:newkeyboard:

post #135 of 149

Wonder what the punishment at Masik will be for ducking a rope?

post #136 of 149

Ski season is finally here in the Northern Hemisphere.  I wonder what became of the O.P.?

post #137 of 149

It was his dad that was arrested?  

post #138 of 149
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post
 

It was his dad that was arrested?  

 

LOL, his dad would be too young (perhaps Vietnam?).  We're talking about someone in my dad's generation.

 

Speaking of Vietnam, it is apparently a great progressive country to visit, and they make many of our clothes and shoes.  Unlike N. Korea, the war is long over and former warriors are invited to visit and reconcile their past..

post #139 of 149

So, his granddad. 

post #140 of 149
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You mean like the indefinite detention of prisoners without trial or evidence *cough* Gitmo *cough* or launching missiles that kill innocent civilians due to bad intelligence. 

I talking about self-determination, free speech, capitalism, the right to vote, equality for women, and all the other stuff anarchists like you forget about.  The USA isn't perfect, but the abuse of citizens by design is not considered an integral part of our way of life. 

post #141 of 149
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I wonder what became of the O.P.?


I heard turned out to be some kind of terrorist.. It was all a ruse to overthrow North Korea

 

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Kenneth Bae was sentenced in May to 15 years of hard labour after North Korea's Supreme Court convicted him of state subversion. The court said Bae, 45, had used his tourism business to form groups to overthrow the government.

Perhaps Kim has been reading this thread and arrested him when he arrived there..

post #142 of 149
You're confusing me. Did the OP, Carli, work for Bae? Did Bae work for Uri Tours?
post #143 of 149
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You're confusing me. Did the OP, Carli, work for Bae? Did Bae work for Uri Tours?


I'm suggesting that Kim is a paranoid psychopath that might just assume all tour guides are out to get him..

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Now they need either more snowmaking or better grooming. Looks like a bad day in the Poconos.
post #147 of 149
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0426/North-Korea-detains-24-year-old-American-tourist

Notice the name of the tour company... Uri Tours. Think this will hurt business?

(For those who came in late and didn't read the OP, that's who started the thread.)

This particular tourist didn't seem to have been trying, or claiming, he was there to ski.
post #148 of 149

Interesting development, but it sounds like the 24 year old being detained, Matt Miller, kind of brought this on himself.  Hard to know the real story at this point.  @jamescarli probably knows more, but would be understandably reluctant to discuss it while the person on tour is in detention.

post #149 of 149
Assuming you believe the circumstances. But, he doesn't seem to have been part of a ski tour.
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